It's not the fact of not loving the "Un" set. It's the fact that they made it legal for all play.

I like playing with Richard Garfield, Ph.D., which is still banned for some odd reason.

The fact of the matter is, Unstable should be Opt-in, not Opt-out. People wanting to play Casual games will play Casual games regardless of what the RC says. It's the fact that the RC is saying, play with it or don't play.

The RC is already incompetent enough, this is just icing on the cake. Hopefully with the uproar this has brought on, we can finally get the RC to make reasonable decisions, or be left in the history of the format.

Is storm the vault going to go into the cedh nin deck?

Anyone going to make a Tier 0.1 Spike deck?

Yes i know emmy is banned Nomination for Emrakul the aeons torn for tier 3

Hi! I know this seems like a random one. But:If there's a point system for reliability and stability/compactness of a combo, could you explain it to us?

Also. I would argue that norin the wary creates an insane lock on games. I know what you're thinking - he's a mono red deck. But in all seriousness, I built a deck which consistently either runs into a blowout effect like obliterate able to be cast turn three, or held on till turn 4 in case opponents hands are too filled. It cannot "go off" by turn two. It requires a fair bit of setup, but it's mono red, packing hatebears like stranglehold and grafdiggers, and using combos with goblin welder which grant significant recovery following a land-wipe.

Tier 4 feels like he's been dropped with a lot of others but this deck frequently matches against the tier 2 azami list, and holds its own against Derevi and sharuum. Unfortunately it's weak to items like null rod, but if I can, I'd like to show you a darn good reason this 1 drop 2/1 should be above tier 4

Thanks,

Brad.

CyborgAeon: Post a decklist - showing is better than telling.

Oh! I hadn't bothered as I thought the rules specifically said no just linking one's own deck?

My mistake. I'll grab it and begin making a list.

CyborgAeon I believe the rule existed more of as a "dont post it if you cant handle criticism". I believe the description might have said something about that a while back but idk. Most people tend to put a budgeted list, an unoptimal one, or one thats wayyy too high on the avg cmc scale if not a combination of the 3. so if you can handle our criticism and think you have an optimal list, throw it here.

CyborgAeon Who do you know that is playing my list?

That and I think it was put there to stop people posting "Commander XYZ should be tier 1 - I run it and win all the games all the time. Check out my (usually suboptimal) decklist, it's the best in my playgroup." The issue here is that a player is saying a commander should be a rank and this is being biased by the fact that they run it.

What you're doing is fine, you're disputing where a commander is ranked and (about to be) putting forward a decklist to support that. Then you're letting others judge if the commander should be bumped up and by how much.

If people didn't give some level of feedback on commanders they actually ran, there would be a lot more hearsay. The trick is trying to balance hearsay and bias with actual results.

Someone made a post on the cedh reddit about trying to make a Jarad list, they were new and weren't actually looking for a cedh list, but I linked them to the Jarad list we currently have to give them ideas as they seemed inclined to spend between $300-500 on a deck and it would be easy to make budget jarad.

However after looking over both the primer and the list, I think it's pretty outdated. I don't think that specific list should have Jarad at tier 2, and the primer needs an update as it mentions partial paris mulligans (which no one allows anymore).

It's running just odd/bad stuff like Baleful Force, Scorned Villager  ^Flip, Temple of Malady, 4 basic forests (in a hermit druid list???), Tempt with Discovery, Frontier Siege, some other stuff. Just feels like it could use an update. Especially those 5 lands. Maybe just copy the land base from the Gitrog primer without the 2 swamps/2 forests?

Do you think The Grand Calcutron would be a good competitive commander?

Agent_Fire That would depend on how loose you're going with the rules. I expect most people willing to play Silver Border Commander would still rather have the restriction that your Commander must be a Legendary Creature.

Asking to play Silver Border AND using a non Creature as your Commander? Unlikely.

On the plus side, I did open a Foil, so I might try to find a spot for it.

Double post.

I wouldn't call Gwafa Hazid tier 5, especially in a Multiplayer. He politics well enough to stall until you draw your answer. Combine him with control and pillowfort effects and he is solid. I would say he should he is Tier 4, maybe tier 3. He is not comparable to the rest of the Tier 5 list. I will post a decklist later

In cEDH you are only attacking w/ zur/tymna, or to lower the life of the ad naus player. It does not matter who you hit, as the lifepoints won't affecet the game overly much. His abilities are worthless because of this.

Ok so first off, calculatron is a legal commander as of right now. proof straight from MaRo

as for Gwafa,

1: creatures dont matter the most. it is relevant also when facing tymna in addition to the ones listed above. but creatures are really relevant sometimes. just would not depend on them.

2: the bigger downside is more obvious: WHY THE ---- ARE YOU GIVING THEM MORE CARDS? enough games are decided by pure CA/draw power alone that you would be hurting yourself more than helping.

Blogatog isnt in charge of deciding anything. So that statement from Maro is worthless. Still cant use it as a general if your table doesnt agree. And for the purposes of this forum, cEDH, hes never going to be accepted as a general.

Actually, Mark Rosewater is the official Un-Rules Manager, so Im pretty sure he can make that decision as long as the card is legal in EDH.

Here is my list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-12-17-gwafa-hazid/

I understand that most people just play GAIV and be done with it. The cost reduction and ta effects are great (which is why he is in the 99) however....

@chaosumbreon87 the reason why you bribe is to neutralize a creature that you cannot handle. I have played with both GAIV and Gwafa and Gwafa seems better in a lot of matchups. Why bribe? If you are staring down a card like Necropolis Regent or something like It That Betrays or an Eldrazi titan vs giving them 1 card (which in EDH is insignificant especially when one of Gwafa's colors is Blue)?

justavictim82: I would recommend having a look at some tier one and even tier two decks to get an idea of the kind of builds that are listed here. All of the lists are no budget and barely any of them use creature beats to win, except for infinite tokens.

The other thing is that if you're going to post a list for consideration here then it should be the best list possible. We get that you may not own the cards in real life, but this list should reflect budgetless builds as a reference. So stuff like ABURs, fetches, all the best mana rocks are auto-includes.

enpc I never at any time said Gwafa is a tier 1 or 2 build but putting him the same category with useless commanders like Huang Zhong, Shu General or Sidar Jabari or overcosted ones like Chorus of the Conclave or Lu Bu, Master-at-Arms is also not a good assessment. If you took the time to look up I said specifically that Gwafa should be Tier 4 maybe tier 3. I admit that he is conditional but he is good at what he does. There are a lot of reasons for this.

1) Maybe the best combination of control colors in magic. By being pillowfort, you buy time until you find your answer and grind into a game win. I cannot tell you how many times against competitive decks that I have done 10+ commander damage with Gwafa as we as slow down creature based strategies.

2) He is instant removal. Yes the opponent nets a card but it can shut down a win-con which is more important. Voltron strategies groan heavily when I flip Gwafa because they know they will have to work extra hard to get in.

3) Backed by removal and counters. YEs they net that extra card but after you bribe them, any good blue deck has a counter suite to handle what comes next. By buying time, you let a good control deck stabilize. If Gwafa didn't net a card, every U/W conrtol deck would be using him as a commander

I would also argue that a well tuned Kaalia deck should be tier 2. If you don't have an answer for a hasted Kaalia, you are going to have a very bad day

Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer is trash. There really isn't any reason to run him in EDH, not as the Commander, not as the 99, nothing.

He has to tap for his ability, making it about once per turn. Being once per your turn, he can only target one creature controlled by an opponent. You could untap him, but then he's a mana sink that doesn't provide value for you. He only provides value to your opponents. Who is even attacking with creatures? If you need to attack, he should be easy enough to remove.

I wouldn't run him in any deck. Although if my opponent played him, I would definitely try to get value from him.

With 100% honesty, no sarcasm, he's not good enough for the 99 in my Phelddagrif deck.

Kaalia of the Vast can have a great start, she has problems finishing off a table. She is great against Casual players, but she just simply isn't that great.

I have tried time and time again to make Kaalia great. I have invested years into her. I still have her, but against good decks, she doesn't have a hope.

She is fun, but nowhere near Competitive. She is fine in Tier 3, she is 100% Pubstomp. I love her immensely, but she will never be good at Competitive tables.

justavictim82: I'm not saying that Gwafa has to be able to beat these decks to move up tiers. But you need to appreciate that fact that a large chunk of decks don't ever turn sideways with creatures. Period. Or if they do, most beats decks will favour going wide, specifically because it shuts down single target removal (if you're trying to mana your way through a Propaganda you're already doing it wrong IMO).

The second point I made is also relevant - if you want to have any chance of gettign Gwafa bumped up, then build a budgetless list. Your list is including things like Ravnica bounce lands and Temple of the False God. You have very little acceleration and your win condition is slow and clunky.

This page is not a competition about who spends the most money on cards - all these lists are budgetless. So build a hypotheical deck and post it. Because as it stands your current list is sub optimal.