For Edgar you would need a way to get infinite tokens with haste consistently. If there is a way then go ahead and post it. But I can't think of any.

Hi IronBlackZepp and MintyThe1st,

My Edgar list is just a tad different from the usual vampire beats you're use to. Its a fast combo deck first and foremost. It uses razaketh, the foulblooded and Ad Nauseam to pull off fast wins abusing Edgar's ability to create tutor chains with raza. I invite you to look at the deck list even if the primer portion is still unfinished and also am looking forward to questions whether it be through PMs or the comments section.

Regards,

Iraruel

MrAwesomeSocks you may find my last comment relevant, please do go through some effort before dismissing it.

Well, it's pretty misleading when his last posted update says "Jan 3, 2017"

Good evening, thegigibeast, sonnet666, NarejED, and everyone else here.

It has probably been about a year since I commented here. I would like to resubmit my Purphoros, God of the Forge Primer deck here again as a possible feature deck with your amazing list. It is currently the HIGHEST scored Purphoros deck here in TappedOut, and I figured it might be proper to resubmit here once it had been acknowledged as a great primer/deck by other players. I have had competitive EDH players and new EDH players try the deck and were very successful with it.

Thank you for your consideration.

Purphoros, God of Tokens (Multiplayer EDH Primer)

Commander / EDH ay.lobo

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ay.lobo: I think your list looks good, however it's still missing a few staples like Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Lotus Petal as well as a few cards I'm surprised aren't in the list like Abrade, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast to name a few. And I didn't see any mention of them in exclusions section of your primer.

If cards are being omitted purely on a budget basis, please put together a budgetless list and submit that instead. I appreciate that you've put a bunch of work into your primer for (I'm guessing) your paper list, however the fact that you've written a primer for this list, just like budget, should not be the bottleneck for lists posted here. An example of this would be my Saffi Eriksdotter list - Just Stay Dead. I own the paper version of that list (complete with primer) however I have a second list just for here. I would highly recommend going about it this way.

Good morning, enpc. While I thank you for your compliments, I will have do disagree with you about the "staples" you mentioned. Mox Diamond may be tempting, but even then you run the risk of being a card short in the beginning, less durability with an artifact than a basic land (no one would really destroy a basic mountain), and having less synergy with Extraplanar Lens. Not to mention that it's a dead draw during later on in the game, so it's essentially a T1-T3 card. I will have to look into Lotus Petal, so thank you for bringing that up.

I would not consider Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast good necessary cards in EDH as they are specifically directed at decks. While there are a great number of blue players, there are many that do not just play those colors. For example, I would be holding these dead cards while playing against your Saffi Eriksdotter deck.

It is not a budget deck, as I look for cards that are optimal for Purphoros, but mono- decks tend to be a lot cheaper than most EDH decks. Yes, I do have all the cards on list as well (with Imperial Recruiter now on board), otherwise I would have to carry proxies which aren't really acceptable in most shops I visit around the U.S.

The current featured deck focuses on Goblin-synergy, whereas mine chooses the most optimal ETB creatures of like Norin the Wary and Tempt with Vengeance. I just believe that Purphoros, God of Tokens (Multiplayer EDH Primer) deck has a better understanding of how Purphoros should be than what is currently here.

enpc I'll have to agree with you there. Ive only done that a few times but when i do it's really fun. You seem to know a lot about magic and im tryingn to find a new commander. Which of these two do you think would perform better in a casual pod? Rishkar peema renegade or roon of the hidden realm? Thank you for your input!

Why is ishkana in t3? I missed the discussion. Is it that hard to generate infinite colored mana in bg? Also has anyone at all finished a good hapatra list. I just want a golgari commander who isn't the grog, burnt out on him

Well Hotcake_Gotsyrup, if you are looking for a Hapatra deck i recommend watching thr games knights episode about her or looking up Josh's Hapatra decklist. It worked for me and my Rishkar deck.

ay.lobo: I think n0bunga summed it up pretty nicely. And while some of the cards I recommended are dead draws against certain decks, the important thing is that stop the decks that stop you. And for you, that is absoultely blue decks. Not only are they best suited to dealing with your commander (via bounce spells like Chain of Vapor) but are also the main thing that shut's down your game ending seplls, like Firecat Blitz.

On top of that, you absolutely want to be running Mox Diamond, just like you want to be running Mana Vault. The key to your deck is speed. You need to get down Purphoros as quickly as possible so he can start doing his thing. Both of the aforementioned cards help in doing that. Mana Vault is an outright turn 2 Purphoros. Extraplanar Lens however is a turn 3 play in hte hope that you have 6 mana turn 4. Or it eats a removal spell (see Fragmentize, Nature's Claim, Chain of Vapor, Abrupt Decay, etc) and you're left negative resources. At least a Mox Diamond diamond getting destroyed doesn't put you back on boardstate resources (other than itself). And yes, it sucks to draw ramp late game. But that's the game you play. That's the game we all play.

On your last point, I can't say with a huge level of authority whether Purphoros is better suited to a combo build of whether he's better as a token swarm deck. And I have no problems with you saying that a token build is the way to go. But my concern is that your deck is still lacking in certain spots (mainly the aforementiond cards) and I'm reluctant to swap one suboptimal deck for another. It's why even though this list has had a bunch of Saskia the Unyielding submissions, a decklist is still needed as none of them were at the level required.

Good evening, enpc and n0bunga. After much thought, I can see the truth to your words. Hmm, I don't think I can afford to put in Mox Diamond just yet. As a monored deck with a low land count, I would still want to see if it is good with this deck. Also, price (waiting on eBay). I can test it online for now. As for the blue target cards... I have looked online, and many monored players have agreed to their prowess. I will rearrange my deck a little and will try to resubmit it when it is adjusted to suit current play. Thank you for the advice. Looking forward to the next meet.

ay.lobo: sounds good! Looking forward to seeing the outcome.

I have a Tiagam deck here. I have no practical experience with the format, so if there are any issues with it please let me know.

Optimized Taigam, Sidisi's Hand

Commander / EDH mlynch3

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The reason for Beacon of Unrest instead of cheaper spells is that it gets artifacts like Possessed Portal, Mindlock Orb, and Aetherflux Reservoir.The point of Paradox Haze is that it allows for continued development through a Possessed Portal, but it doesn't really do anything else. It will probably be cut for an Unearth or Street Wraith.

Anyone have a Nekusar, the Mindrazer or Ghalta, Primal Hunger deck I can see? Or advice on building competitive for the decks?

ghalta seems like a worse selvala to me. Nekusar seems like a neat little storm deck that wins through waste not and notion thief combos. I think I tried a nekusar one on my profile. I think the name is Mufasa Avenged Sevenfold [please somebody get the reference]. I dont see Ghalta being anywhere near competitive.

Can someone make me a competitive Dromar, the Banisher deck?

Zenaku17 if you mean in an objective sense, then no. Dromar just isn't good enough to be a top commander.

If by competitive you mean a deck that can do well in most metas, I;m sure you can make it work :)

One of the decks that gets asked about on a semi-regular basis is Saskia the Unyielding. There have been a few different thoughts around how to build her, one of the more popular ideas being infect. I have been giving this some thought and I think that potentially using damage doubling effects may be the way to go. The idea is that you only need to connect into player A with 10 power and through Saskia + a single doubler you deal 40 damage to player B. The benefit of this is that you're not locked into the small pool of infect creatures but can instead pick the best beatdown available in 4C blood. It also hates on Ad Nauseam a lot more, which is common to see at higher levels of play.

I have put together a list:

SOP, YELD or ONE VAY

Commander / EDH* enpc

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And I would love to get people's feedback on it. I'm not entirely sure which creatures are best here - i have grabbed a handful based off of the commonly seen beatdown creatures in canadian highlander 4C blood decks.

Only problem I have with this list is there is only 1 real tier 1 commander (i refuse to play him).. Zur. Zur made correctly is almost completely unbeatable. None of the other listed tier 1 commanders can claim that. They are extremely difficult to beat but they don't present the 95% win chance Zur does in a competent players hands. If you want to get technical about it Zur is tier 1 alone, then there should be a tier 1.1 for all the other current tier 1 listed. I am not hating, nor am I promoting. Its well known that Zur is completely overpowered and debatably ban worthy. That debate has been going on for a long time now. I am simply stating what is. It says something when almost every LGS in my region (and there are more than a few dozen in Middle-Eastern Ohio) ban him on the same grounds that they used to ban Leovold decks for (before he became officially banned).

I agree with n0bunaga. At different stores, the meta can greatly affect the tier consideration. At my LGS no one plays zur because he actually tends to lose against a lot of the matchups. Meanwhile a few of the tazri players can still sneak in some victories even while they are being hated out by the rest of the table. Even my mizzix deck can beat thrasios and kess. That doesnt mean that my deck is a higher tier (by any means). Zur is definitely tier 1. But so are the others. They can go infinite easily, early, and can protect there win-con.

Zur is not the best commander. Thras and tymna have way more advantages than disadvantages when compared to him, and depending on the build I would 100% pick Kraum/Tymna over Zur as well. Zur is great but if you steal and/or kill zur before he gets going hes not that hard to beat. Partners are obscenely good and are much harder to stop. I honestly believe they are incrementally better than the rest of the power generals although the difference is small.

What do you guys think about Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain as a storm list?

RandomGenesis personally im not sure if we should throw her in 2 with niv-mizzet the firemind or if we should throw her in 2.5 with melek. She seems quite a bit better than melek, so im thinking 2, but im not sure that 1.5 is quite where to go with her just yet. For sure need to playtest the heck out of her, since she is actually our first technical "artifact matters" izzet commander