Athraithe, Roryrai, im still working on jhoira though im not sure it would be considered optimized. Everyone seems to be heading in storm direction with her. I prefer a more midrange, engine type strategy. Wincons will be the same/similar. It'll just be more resilient and disruptive as opposed to comboing off asap. Still trying to figure it out.

The only thing that im gonna disagree with is sliver queen being placed farther up than sliver overlord. I get sliver queen has that combo but in terms of strength as a sliver commander overlords ability to tutor is crazy strong and i would say its one of the strongest abilities and a far bigger threat than queen.

Revenantmike, Here's what I've come up with for a Jhoira storm list so far. It seems to be fairly consistent when there's not artifact or storm hate in play (things like Eidolon of Rhetoric or Stony Silence are awful to play into), but I haven't figured out a good way to answer hate pieces like that without gimping the storm strategy by adding more dead draws into the deck if those hate pieces aren't on the board. (If anyone has suggestions on good ways to do that it would be welcome because I think this commander has a lot of potential, I just need to figure out how to deal with hate effectively.)

Fast Mana is Fair and Balanced, We Promise

I noticed a lack of example deck in the Inalla section, While not up to date or potentially top tier, I find I win most games with my list and would be willing to have it put up for now. Cntl/Alt/Del is the name but for some reason it refuses to link here.

Link to Immortalized's deck.
Link to Lab Maniacs' deck.

Immortalized - In any competitive game, your deck will not be able to compete on the same playing field, as many of your mana sources enter tapped, the mana curve is too high, and your interaction is too weak. If you look at the other deck I linked, it has a clear game plan that can be executed within the first few turns and can protect it. The goal of the deck is to quickly reanimate something and win with it, be it the Prophets combo or a quick Jin-Gitaxias.

Here's a comprehesive list of the Dominaria legends and some of my impressions. Due to the size of the list, I REALLY don't want to talk about cards that seem cool as parts of 99s.

Lyra Dawnbringer - T5. Just an efficient creature. Angel tribal does nothing.
Naru Meha, Master Wizard - T4. I want to say there is a combo using Rite of Replication, but I can't think of a death trigger artifact when the tokens die to the Legend rule.
Demonlord Belzenlok - T4. Efficient beater that draws 1-2 cards in a good color.
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar - T4. Seems like a decent STAX commander.
Naban, Dean of Iteration - T4. Seems like a decent enough value commander in a good color.
Evra, Halcyon Witness - T4. Requires removal. Good with Aetherflux.
Josu Vess, Lich Knight - T5.
Verix Bladewing - T5.
Marwyn, the Nurturer - T4. Taps for big mana. Probably a decent Elfball commander.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty - T3. Protects creature combos and is an infinite mana outlet.
Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp - T5.
Kazarov, Sengir Pureblood - T4-5. Can disrupt creature shenanigans, but is very slow.
Squee, the Immortal - T4. No Food Chain, so settle for Skullclamp.
Grunn, the Lonely King - T5.
Teshar, Ancestor’s Apostle - T3-4. Bomberman Combo + Scarecrone/Brass Secretary/Selfless Cathar/Ticking Gnomes.
Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep - T5.
Valduk, Keeper of the Flame - T4. Cute with Skullclamp and/or Possessed Portal.
Baird, Steward of Argive - T5.
Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive - T4-5. There is probably something cool I am missing.
Torgaar, Famine Incarnate - T4-5. I want to say T5, but the effect might qualify it for T4.
Danitha Capashen, Paragon - T5.
Urgoros, the Empty One - T4-5. I want to say T5, but the "at random" may qualify it for T4.
Kwende, Pride of Femeref - T5.
Whisper, Blood Liturgist - T3-4. Relatively cheap reanimation makes for a decent commander.
Yargle, Glutton of Urborg - T1. By far the best Legend to come out of Dominaria and will easily be brewed for ages to come.
Darigaaz Reincarnated - T3-4. Decent beater in good colors. Also an okay Food Chain commander since it "stores" 8 mana.
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain - T2. Tentative starting point for the powerful artifact storm commander. Comparing most closely to Nin, the Pain Artist.
Muldrotha, the Gravetide - T2-2.5. Three best colors combined with an efficient value engine. Works very well with Command Beacon. Comparing mostly to Damia and Rashmi.
Aryel, Knight of Windgrace - T4. Makes tokens and is (slow) removal.
Jodah, Archmage Eternal - T2. Can cheat in a lot of cool stuff.
Firesong and Sunspeaker - T4. Cool with damage based board wipes and Aetherflux.
Grand Warlord Radha - T3. Free mana is free.
Adeliz, the Cinder Wind - T4. Wizard storm?
Arvad the Cursed - T5.
Garna, the Bloodflame - T4. A better No Rest for the Wicked with a haste anthem is probably playable.
Hallar, the Firefletcher - T5.
Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage - T4. Can have Shimmer Zur lines with Aetherflux.
Rona, Disciple of Gix - T4. Card advantage exists.
Shanna, Sisay’s Legacy - T5.
Slimefoot, the Stowaway - T3. Comparable to Ishkanah, Grafwidow.
Tatyova, Benthic Druid - T2.5-3. Good colors and abilities.
Tiana, Ship's Caretaker - T4. Helps recover from Bane of Progress, but EOT restriction kills most combo potential...and as I was writing that: Possessed Portal + Sigarda's Aid + Cost Reducer + 1-drop Equipment.
Traxos, Scourge of Kroog - T5.
Niambi, Faithful Healer - T5.

Agreed, Yargle is definitely the best commander in the set.

As for Slimefoot I've been trying to think of something cool to do with him, since he provides an infinite mana outlet and either kills the table with a sac outlet, or numerous other things (Golgari Charm, Toxic Deluge, and Pernicious Deed come to mind) or holds up a giant army that no one can kill. You can also create a saproling death loop with a token doubler and Ashnod's Altar. I'm not super well versed in B/G though so I don't know what infinite mana options are available off the top of my head.

I've seen Fist of Suns on a stick do some serious work in Brawl but Brawl is obviously very different from this format so no clue how that will shake up here.

I've also been messing around with Muldrotha and I did not think of Command Beacon at all. Time to go throw that in my Muldrotha list. Also Lion's Eye Diamond seems a bit good in that deck.

Naru Meha, Master Wizard is better than tier 4. Combos with Ghostly Flicker.

I think you're undervaluing Marwyn, the Nurturer. You can make a deck very similar to Brostorm with her.

Garna, the Bloodflame also might move higher. You can storm off with a sac outlet and paradox engine sorta stuff.

Here is a deck list that I have been using with Rasputin Dreamweaver (currently no deck list) if you want to link it: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-09-16-rasputin/?cb=1523714398. I believe he may be under tiered, as this deck is able to at least affect or disrupt the combos of the fast tier 1 combo decks, followed by his own combos to present threat. Whilst obviously not tier 1, he probably should be either tier 2-2.5 as tier 3 implies he can't even compete with these decks.

YAAAAAAAAARGLE Deck for our tier 1 lord yargle. Best deck ever, tier 1, wins all day every day

Should be listed under tier insanity.

just wanted to say with the marwyn discussion, that you did indeed undervalue her. she is just another elfball deck sure, but she isnt a bad helm at it, just worse than momir vig. she could probably be considered tier 3. she has synergy with a decent amount of the cheap pump spells if you want to run those, and elf spam is, again, very effective.

What do we do if we think we've found a better build of one of the above listed decks?

DruneGrey, please share it. so long as youre building it with infinite budget and are putting your effort into maximizing gameplan and use of the comander, should be worth a discussion.

I can see where youre going with the marwyn discussion hotcake. while it is a worse selvala imo, it does have some utility. Tier 3 might be fine with it with enough playable elves. viggy has the blue advantage so mute comparison there.

in the meantime, working on my second muldrotha idea. very high ceiling, just 6cmc is a steep cost

the blue advantage was implied, im just saying that they are somewhat comparable, as good shell commanders for elfball. also marwyn has some good synergy cards that people may be looking over by looking at the elf part too much. some of the cards im about to list are sub optimal if you run too many, but show that she can generate decent value for pretty cheap: Aspect of Hydra, Aspect of Wolf, Berserk, Ivy Seer, Become Immense, Scent of Ivy, Strength in Numbers, Timberwatch Elf, War Dance, Wirewood Pride. now you shouldnt run too many of these because they are only one shot effects, but some of them add enough power to make up for that by making occasional big bursts of mana, and she is another umbral mantle/ parun abuser. i expect that her wins will be along the lines of huge pump spell> dorks> revelation> more dorks> craterhoof. i can easily see this being viable as tier 3. im gonna be brewing her soon anyway in hopes shes atleast respected as tier 3, she will be a good break from mairsil.

Hey guys,

With the new wizard, Naru Meha, Master Wizard using a flicker effect and then flashing her is can make infinite ETB triggers and infinite storm, right? And with a Ghostly Flicker effect we could net mana off of reseting rocks.

What do you guys think of using her as a general with scepter combo, and x draw spells, and aether flux as a win condition? All the pieces are tutorable in the colour aswell as being fairly compact. Im going to brew a list but i thought id put it out there first.

Godo, Bandit Warlord is now Tier 1 (yes even in mono red). With the new card Helm of the Host from Dominaria he is a zero card infinite that kills the board. Only deck that is reliably faster is breakfast hulk, and you can use some of the best stax in the game to support (Blood Moon, Possibility Storm). Can go toe to toe with Teferi and Tymna/Thrasios no problem.

Waiting for Godo - cEDH primer

In response to my own post: here is a list for Naru Meha

insertcleverphrasehere im glad youre on board with all the jokes we are making like with yargle! Good to see such spirit here :D

Since prerelease is later this week I thought I'd go ahead and throw up my Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain storm list to get initial thoughts. I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment that she's probably in the T2 area. This list is definitely not finished by any means and I'm intending to do a lot more work on it once Dominaria comes out since I think Jhoira has a lot of potential.

Jhoira Artifact Storm: Fast Mana is Fair and Balanced, We Promise

I'll be the first to admit I'm not a great deck builder, so if there's anything I've overlooked I'll change it because I really want to see what an optimized Jhoira will look like (whether it's a storm list or not). Also, my local meta is not nearly as competitive as the things on this list, so things that tend to work well there may not necessarily work against the top decks here, so my initial thoughts for how to optimize her may be off due to that. The biggest problem I'm having is finding good ways to interact and deal with hate that don't feel like they hurt the storm game plan too much, which has led to a very glass cannon feel to the deck.

I may be a bit biased on what I'm about to say, but im curious as to why Flash + Protean Hulk combo isn't in the Child of Alara deck list. Child is my oldest EDH deck, about 7 years playing it, and my current list reflects most all of the cards in the recommended list above, except I added a Flash Hulk package (please note that the list on my tappedout is still outdated). Flashing out academy rector or Boonweaver Giant can easily bring out the combos at a quicker pace and hulk can grab up the whole combo in of itself. Flash also allows us to easily bring out and sac Angel of Glory's Rise or Reveillark which can also lead to a combo finish so long as we just pitch some things to the grave with cards like Survival of the Fittest or buried alive. With the added inclusion of these cards, I honestly feel that this deck now outperforms a lot of the other T4 decks; the deck wins between turns 1-4 and is usually winning around turn 3 goldfishing, while still holding up permission. I will include an updated list once I'm back from vacation, but i feel that the commander should be at a 2.5 with ability to abuse hulk and flash so easily.

[Jonathanjocarter] I feel you on Rasputin. I REALLY feel you. That card is very gross. I've been playing my own list for a couple of months and have found it's placement on tier three to be rather disconcerting. Since there's no deck listed, I'm happy to work with people on a brew. Currently I'm playing an almost budgetless reveillark and friends, abusing intuition and body double, with the commander as not only an infinite mana generator, but a fantastic value engine for cards like blue Sun's zenith, or even dropping out a gilded lotus!

Looking to colab?

I just saw that insertcleverphrasehere tagged my Godo, Bandit Warlord list for moving up the ladder! I'm flattered by the suggestion it should be moved into tier one - this deck is truly competitive for the first time. It's definately fast enough to compete, and has surprisingly more interaction and resilience in the current cEDH meta than you might guess from mono red.

I've been playing and refining it since the Dominaria leaks against other t2+ decks in my local meta, and it's performing better than even I suspected. I know several people have been tearing it up on cockatrice with this build also. I believe there is an argument for tier 1. I personally would probably put Godo into tier 1.5 at the moment. I could definitely see putting it into tier 2 until the meta has a chance to see and react to the deck after the dominaria release, and consider moving it up from there.

For certain though, Godo isn't a casual deck when built for the new host combo. It's far from the tier 4 it currently sits at, and I feel confident the deck will rank highly among the other tier 2+ c-EDH decks. Of course as I've been working on the build myself, so there is inherent bias, but I really hope some of you get to see a variation of Godo-Helm combo in your local meta soon to judge for yourself. It just may surprise you to see a meme coming out on top.

As something who's posted and discussed Godo with sonnet666 several times, I fully endorse gtoast99's list. gtoast99 has written an excellent primer and discussed theory and play-testing results at length with insertcleverphrasehere, myself, and others on discord.

After playtesting the deck from gtoast99 a few times, i think i can agree on tier 2. Tier 1.5? im iffy on, but it is a solid deck. I dont believe tier 1, but as much as it hurts to say, tier 2 is definitely solid, as it seems a big better than a niv deck