Maralen the Mournsong is a 4?

Dragonlord Ojutai for the Dragonlord Ojutai deck.

Would anyone be so kind and explain to me why Zur the Enchanter runs Power Artifact? I don't see a single outlet in the deck and sure it can be searched for with one attack and attached to a Grim Monolith on the field... But it does nothing apart from that or a one-time Candelabra of Tawnos while also being a very dead draw otherwise without grim... Only thing I see it do is to combat stax and avoid sphere effects. please explain :'(

but if it's only used for that how is it not a dead slot? I feel like you can put way better stuff in there no? it looks really inconsistent :s ...

The grim I can understand, many combo decks use this to ramp or go of with as it is positive...

And the odds of drawing both grim and power in an adnaus is asking RNG gods a lot no? (unless you angel's grace :'( )

Still don't feel like it serves a purpose other than one-time luck interaction

It is kinda a dead draw if you don't have a monolith so it's only the other way around 50/50 logic. Still, I can understand you can get it out under sphere effects which probably is the only valid reason you would run this. The key is 100% to try and not have dead cards at any time which is insanely hard for some decks sure!!! But yeah not too familiar with Zur to propose Ench that would help the main wincon better while necro already does that best :'( ... Perhaps you can run Bomberman with that logic as well xD ... Aren't there any more logic additions that doomsday/adnaus decks use? if not then surely that will be your best bet for now until they release some other bonkers DD or ADnaus card xD.

Slimefoot, the Stowaway Seems like a clear T2/2.5 general to me, and is definitely the best general that has been printed in this set (maybe second best, depending on how Jhoira plays out). Infinite mana probably wins you the game, and infinite mana and a sac outlet does win you the game. Without the sac outlet, they must have a single target removal spell as a wrath will end up killing the table.

Seems very easy to get t4-5 kills with this guy.

Kiyomei Probebly you're more interested in Tainted Shimmer Zur, than in Skullroth's Ad Naus/Doomsday List. Both list feels really diffrent, but switch out only a couple of cards. Shimmer Zur plays Dramatic Scepter to combo of with Aetherflux and walk around stax. The Deck relies more on Necro, but looses power in the High Tide-Storm lines of play.

So I've been wondering this for a while, even more so now with a sudden influx of new commanders, what is the exact vetting process for putting what commander into what tier? I understand the tier breakdown well enough but is there a committee for this or something?

n0bunga I will be very disappointed if you dont at least temporarily have a "Tier Meme" for Yargle.

n0bunga fair enough, on a more serious note though, how do new lists and primers replace current ones? Lets say I have a list that could move a commander up a tier, whats the vetting process on that?

is everyone just forgetting tier insanity for our overlord yargle? Like yargle is already insane enough. The only replacement is if we get durdle turtle with pic replaced by more flavor text

i have been building on this deck for quite a while now, and I would love it if you guys could take a look!

Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain: Brave the Storm

i have been devoted to upgrading this deck to the best of my ability, and would love some feedback. and maybe i can help putting her on the tier list.

@Reveur, you wouldn't happen to have a list of that zur or a link somwhere? ty xx

Kiyomei there's 3 good Zur lists on the Lab Maniacs Competitive EDH Decklist Conglomerate on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabManiacs/comments/5si9gw/competitive_edh_decklist_conglomerate/

@Hissp Thanks a bunch! I'll check them out!!!

When will this list be updated with Dominaria Commanders?

@paulriso: I don't know when the list will be updated, but the following is a minimally edited repost of an earlier comment I made. It has been mostly agreed with (or rather there has been little disagreement) and the edits incorporate a lot of the feedback I have read. Note that these are impressions and where they may likely start, but are not guaranteed to be their true standings.

Lyra Dawnbringer - T5. Just an efficient creature. Angel tribal does nothing.
Naru Meha, Master Wizard - T2. Good in a High Tide shell like JVP, but also with a simple combo with Ghostly Flicker.
Demonlord Belzenlok - T4. Efficient beater that draws 1-2 cards in a good color.
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar - T4. Seems like a decent STAX commander.
Naban, Dean of Iteration - T4. Seems like a decent enough value commander in a good color.
Evra, Halcyon Witness - T4. Requires removal. Good with Aetherflux.
Josu Vess, Lich Knight - T5.
Verix Bladewing - T5.
Marwyn, the Nurturer - T2.5-3. Taps for big mana. Probably a decent Elfball commander. Comparing her to Ezuri and Selvala, so there is potential to be better than T3 where Ezuri is.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty - T3. Protects creature combos and is an infinite mana outlet.
Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp - T5.
Kazarov, Sengir Pureblood - T5. Can disrupt creature shenanigans, but is too slow.
Squee, the Immortal - T4. No Food Chain, so settle for Skullclamp and Smokestack.
Grunn, the Lonely King - T5.
Teshar, Ancestor’s Apostle - T3-4. Bomberman Combo + Scarecrone/Brass Secretary/Selfless Cathar/Ticking Gnomes.
Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep - T5.
Valduk, Keeper of the Flame - T4. Cute with Skullclamp and/or Possessed Portal.
Baird, Steward of Argive - T5.
Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive - T4-5. There is probably something cool I am missing.
Torgaar, Famine Incarnate - T4. I want to say T5, but the effect might qualify it for T4. It also acts as a one-time sac outlet in the command zone.
Danitha Capashen, Paragon - T5.
Urgoros, the Empty One - T4-5. I want to say T5, but the "at random" may qualify it for T4.
Kwende, Pride of Femeref - T5.
Whisper, Blood Liturgist - T3-4. Relatively cheap reanimation makes for a decent commander.
Yargle, Glutton of Urborg - T1. By far the best Legend to come out of Dominaria and will easily be brewed for ages to come.
Darigaaz Reincarnated - T3-4. Decent beater in good colors. Also an okay Food Chain commander since it "stores" 8 mana.
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain - T1.5-2. Tentative starting point for the powerful artifact storm commander. Comparing most closely to Nin, the Pain Artist.
Muldrotha, the Gravetide - T1.5-2. Three best colors combined with an efficient value engine. Works very well with Command Beacon. There are also combos with LED, Phantasmal Image, and Animate Dead. Comparing mostly to Damia and Rashmi.
Aryel, Knight of Windgrace - T4. Makes tokens and is (slow) removal.
Jodah, Archmage Eternal - T3. Can cheat in a lot of cool stuff.
Firesong and Sunspeaker - T4. Cool with damage based board wipes and Aetherflux.
Grand Warlord Radha - T3. Free mana is free.
Adeliz, the Cinder Wind - T4-5. Is wizard storm possible?
Arvad the Cursed - T5.
Garna, the Bloodflame - T3. A better No Rest for the Wicked with a haste anthem is playable. It turns Entomb into an Eladamri's Call. Good in a shell with Paradox Engine and a sac outlet.
Hallar, the Firefletcher - T5.
Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage - T4. Can have Shimmer Zur lines with Aetherflux.
Rona, Disciple of Gix - T3-4. Goes infinite with LED and Deadeye.
Shanna, Sisay’s Legacy - T5.
Slimefoot, the Stowaway - T2.5-3. Comparable to Ishkanah, Grafwidow. Likely to rise since it only needs infinite colorless rather than infinite black.
Tatyova, Benthic Druid - T2.5-3. Good colors and abilities.
Tiana, Ship's Caretaker - T4. Helps recover from Bane of Progress. Best combo I could think of: Possessed Portal + Sigarda's Aid + 0-drop equipment.
Traxos, Scourge of Kroog - T5.
Niambi, Faithful Healer - T5.

All this list tells me is that political influence is never taken into account, this the list is only slightly helpful

Politics are important but less so in a lot of ways because unlike in casual EDH, the main goal in cEDH is to win, period.

I feel the potential of Jodah, Archmage Eternal stax could rise above T3 lol

wdunagan what does jodah bring to stax? im pretty sick rn and not thinking clearly, so all i came up with was a 5 mana Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger for the green side with Manglehorn and for red i can only think of Stranglehold

the only thing I came up with for jodah was flashrector into hivemind and winning through pacts. Side win through naus storm or something. Optimal through jodah as jodah allows you to buypass BB requirements or cast hive mind for slightly cheaper

I'm an avid Maelstrom Wander player and noticed that the deck listed on here under Tier 2 hasn't been updated in over a year. Does anyone have an updated decklist? I feel like there's some optimization that could be done to it after the last few sets and I'm curious what others are doing with theirs.

The new sets haven't done a whole lot for combo imo. Especially in EDH. I'm sure there's a few cards that could fit but probably nothing major.

I dont know about that. I remember food wanderer ideas going around and now with a tertiary FC source something might be possible.