Yeah I dont want the curve above 3 for sure. But I do have a lot of ramp in the deck regardless, there are some 5 cmc cards in the deck that I could definitely abandon for some more utility, so I'll start with those.

All in all the deck has 45 pieces of mana generation atm.

The reason for Prismatic Lens is because it's a two drop rock which can tap for mana the turn it's payed. Mostly it will be tapped for colourless. But if there's a better two drop rock, I'm happy to swap it out.

Mana Tithe is circumstantial yes, but in cEDH where mana is tight it gets a lot better. And because you're boros, people don't see it coming as much. But yeah, it comes down to your meta.

I get that you want to run more aggro and less Stax, I would recommend cards like Mirran Crusader for low cost beats.

Yeah I suppose Prismatic Lens is your best option left for 2 drop rocks given the number of rocks you're running. Mana Tithe I suppose would really come down to a meta choice as well. I just always see those "pay x" abilities flopping unless they start stacking out of hand.

And Mirran Crusader is definitely on the table, I had replaced him with Hero of Bladehold in order to get more value out of my Skullclamp for that desperately needed card draw, but have been thinking of just replacing a different card to give both of them a spot in the deck. Maybe removing Godo, Bandit Warlord, as he may just be a bit too fat to be worth the redundancy his effects give. Or maybe Serra Ascendant since lifegain will never be a primary focus of this deck (I simply felt he was a good inclusion because there ARE still cards in my deck that help keep my hp up)

Also I am curious why you'd run Magus of the Wheel instead of Reforge the Soul, Magus seems like it would just be slower and more vulnerable, while Soul would at worst, require the same amount of mana for the same effect.

Ultimately they're the same mana as each other, however Magus of the Wheel can act as a beater. The other thing is that once it's in play, the ability can be activated at instant speed, so it can be used EoT or at the end of a player's draw step to shut down a tutor.

Also, Magus of the Wheel works better with Lion's Eye Diamond. Sorry about the double post.

I'd like to submit Arcum's Infinite Puzzle Box for review. Thanks in advance.

Not sure if you are aware but a well made Narset, Enlightened Master deck can consistently play with haste the commander on turn 3 or 4 and win by destroying all lands and taking dozens of extra turns and combat phases. Also Hyper Markov can possibly kill all opponents turn 5 and is one of the best aggro oriented board presence decks I've seen. I don't know how the other commanders stack up in terms of speed of possible win. Obviously all commanders face the possibility of early counters and removal.

BigBoyBeau: Narset can be really fast, yes, however she is a very hit and miss commander. Because most of the deck is ramp and then combo pieces, she is generally very counterspell/removal light, so she gets shut down to more counterspell heavy decks. She also pretty much folds to a reanimated Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite which isn't uncommon to see in Stax decks.

Sorry to detail the conversation, but what are the chances of Estrid, the Masked replacing Teferi as the foremost Chain Veil commander? Or is Teferi still a better list, even with Estrid’s color additions.

generalrenard there are simply not enough consistent sources of aura on mana-producing permanents to make it work, and because Estrid, the Masked is a +2 ability, going infinite with just mana doesn't win like with Teferi, Temporal Archmage, because you can't get infinite card draw, that alone makes it not even close to being as good, but considering that 6 mana of a single colors is in many cases easier than 3 colors, saying that Estrid is cheaper is only half-true.

Generally, I can't see Estrid being tier 2, let alone tier 1 like Teferi

I can see Estrid becoming the new Atraxa.. criminally overplayed

Well, I mean I believe we can all agree that Atraxa has better colors than Estrid, but both aren't amazing.

Yeah I wouldn't say Atraxa is overpowered at all, or Estrid either. I've never seen one at the table and immediately got worried. A fun commander for sure tho.

Just curious how long before something normally gets added to the list? I'd like to see where Najeela, the Blade-Blossom places. I've seen some rather ridiculous and crazy fast games because of her... Just casual stuff though.

SynergyBuild:

I understand the problem with Estrid’s untap being a plus ability, as it requires more fanagaling to kill her. But with your comment about mana-producing auras, could Estrid become a case like Captin Sisay where she was not very good until Paradox Engine came out, except with more mana-producing auras like Utopia Sprawl?

There is a large difference in that analogy, Captain Sisay fetches Paradox Engine, Estrid doesn't. That is exactly why it won't work.

Alls I’m trying to inquire about is if there’s even potential in the future for Estrid in cEDH. The analogy with Sisay was the first thing I thought of when I grasped at commanders becoming better over time.

Yes and no, technically, if they print a card that makes Cromat instantly win the game and can be fetched out really easily Cromat could be the only deck that ever gets played, but is that scenario likely? No. The same is true for Estrid. No card I could easily imagine them coming up with could break Estrid.

najeela is tier 1.5 or 1 imo. animtau and yuriko has a lot of potential imo. not too much breaks through the tier 3 barrier as of right now. yennet might have more potential than estrid and/or tuvasa imo. has anything been done with saheeli gifted yet or?

I've seen Saheeli stax float around as the least-bad idea for her but I don't see a reason to play her.

Yeah I am really interested in Yuriko and how far she can go competitively, I'm mulling over a few builds for her. But she seems a solid tier 2 choice, maybe tier 1.5, as far as I can see right now.

Well, currently Yuriko turns and doomsday are about tier 2, along with Najeela. Saheeli is about tier 3, the deck is just pretty weak as stax decks go.

Yeah that sounds about right. Not that I've done any play testing for Saheeli, she just didn't seem interesting to me at all so I can't be bothered.

personally im building a Kestia, the Cultivator deck and she seems really... Fun, but not competitive. Id be surprised if she broke tier 3 at all, and tier 3 is where im seeing her placed. Her draw is super selective, but it actually has won me a couple games with Laboratory Maniac as well. My list is nowhere near optimized as im missing so many staples but ill be working on a list within the week

do we have a date yet when this list is going to be updated?