Soren841 That's fair, but I'm saying that building a cEDH deck from the ground up can get ridiculously expensive, especially when starting the format late like I have and all the staple cards are hard to acquire in an affordable manor at this point in my life. Even transitioning to an entirely different set of colors is hard to rationalize in my opinion because you'd have to optimize for color specifics and basically start all over again. I don't know, I like Magic and all, but I can't help but think that many staple cards are overpriced for a piece of cardboard that says you can do the thing and I honestly can't justify paying for a copy of The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale unless I literally had money to burn. I wish I had started collecting when Magic first came out, but I wasn't even born at the time haha.

Hulk and partners only spiced up the format, which is cool imo. People need to expect early kill attempts even more than before, which makes everyone evaluate their opening hands and early plays better, which in turn makes us better players overall. If anything stands in the way of cEDH it's people being reluctant to use proxies while not being able to afford the real cards.

We have some people lically who could be turned to cedh but they only want to play with their own cards. This makes the player base smaller than it could be

Without Hulk, we'd just be Boonweaver, not much better, without partners, we'd be in 5 color lists with Najeela, homogenizing the format even more, not particularly what you'd want to grow a format, really.

Can someone post the link to The Scarab God competitive deck?

This apparently been updated in a while but its concept is the best I've seen so far...

Scarab God Combo

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Soren841 Took a look at the Rakka list. It suffers from the same thing basically all mono-red lists suffer from. The combo is fairly complex with only a few redundancies, aside from all the pieces being too expensive to get it online fast enough and mono red doesn't have the tutors/draw to even get those pieces consistently. It's stax options can be strong, but, again, inconsistent with the lack of tutors. The only viable competitive mono-red list is Godo, and only because you always have access to him and he tutors the rest of the combo. He can also win through more ridiculous stax effects that no other deck can run, such as Possibility Storm.

Darkfire2210 I never claimed it was competitively viable. I wouldn't say Godo is exactly the most viable option either. But its combo isn't really that complex, has a relatively (to most red decks) high amount of tutors, and the pieces aren't that expensive, especially with ramp and rituals. I'm just thinking it could move to High Power. If you have any suggestions, instead of just saying what everyone knows, feel free to comment on the list :)

Soren841, if you are saying it should be 'High Powered' on a cEDH, standing for competitive EDH list of decks, and assume that you actually aren't saying it is competitively viable, you are lying to yourself. Darkfire2210 was only explaining why Rakka combo doesn't work, not that you did something wrong, so telling Darkfire2210 should comment on your list is a bit falsidical. I would personally suggest that pure stax is the way to go, land destruction is plentiful in red, and Blood Moon, Magus of the Moon, Stranglehold, and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combo doesn't hurt to an already decent colorless stax base.

BTW, you probably wouldn't ever cast Rakka in that deck... if you cared.

Btw Rakka is a combo piece SynergyBuild. And High Power is clearly defined as separate from Competitive. Don't be dumb.

I am not. High Powered implies it is a specific level of competitive. That is all that the tiers mean, how competitive they are. All of them are technically able to compete. "Don't be dumb."

Also, I implied cutting the trash combo. Kiki-Jiki combo takes two cards in the deck, so using a 4 card combo including the commander is worse.

Yet High Powered is still clearly not competitive.. and idk about Kiki combo, kinda boring. Also Kiki screams "counter me" and Rakka is Mono Red. Plus that defeats the purpose of playing Rakka.

Well, if the purpose of Rakka to you is to run a combo that is more easy to counter, is more expensive, harder to tutor for, and is also more easily disruptable, I guess you should know why it doesn't deserve to be on a list of the best lists for each commander.

Yes but tbh Kiki Jiki is a lot more likely to get countered and it's mono red so there's always that. I can make a Kiki Jiki version if it makes u feel better lol.

I’m very curious to see ishai, ojutai dragonspeaker in the competitive category. But I can’t find any links of decks for it. Does anybody have/know of a competitive list for it? -thank you

kaznitram probably put there by mistake. I don't think there is a competitive version.

I was asking about Ishai too awhile ago. If I'm missing sth I'd love to be proven wrong, but imo it doesn't deserve a spot there.

I'm assuming Ishai is only there because of his colors, but that doesn't really make sense, either. He isn't as good as GAAIV or Taigam, so I'm guessing it's a mistake or some weird interaction I don't know of. As far as my comments or the Rakka list, the fact that it's twice as many cards as Kiki, which is high-powered, and four times as many cards as Godo, which is an incredibly strong list for reasons I explained earlier, mean Rakka, unless significant changes happen, will never be considered even high-powered on this tier list. This isn't to say that your list is suboptimal in terms of card choice, which I honestly can't speak to right now, or even that it is bad compared to your peer's list in your local meta, simply that her ability/color identity mean she isn't strong enough to stand toe to toe with competitive lists.

Darkfire2210 Ishai has partner

Soren841 yes, but you can't really pair it well. Tymna and Thrasios, the two good partners that you pair with others, both overlap with Ishai.

Yes but it's better than he gave credit for

I think it's just so you can add UW to something like Vial Smasher for some reason. She's not the worst partner imo. Easy to get rid of sure, but a legit commander damage threat.

Aphoticate you know commander damage is only for combat damage, not Vial Smasher's ability.

SynergyBuild Yes. I just mean all on his own he is a decent commander damage threat. Even if VS was commander damage it wouldn't matter cause partner commander damage doesn't stack.

Oooh I see. Ishai* is a decent commander damage clock. I shouldn't use pronouns when talking about partners.