Whatever.

NoOneOfConsequence wtf... whatever? Is that all? I can't tell if you are being rude or are just don't understand the tone that sets.

You are really acting like a jerk rn.

btw, Soren841 is right.

Imo, it's because a T1 strip mine can be devastating. If you're playing a 2c deck and they use it to lock you out of one of your colours, oh man. The disadvantage that puts you at is too great.

NoOneOfConsequence lol why do you always have to be so dismissive? You asked a simple question, and Soren gave you a good and viable answer to it but you just brush it off like nothing? Rude but ok.

Strip mine isn't that much more powerful than wasteland in commander, but, anyway, I said 'whatever' because I sort of already knew that. I just don't really think it's sufficient reason to ban it, especially in a format where cards like Timetwister are still legal.

Prophet isn't as powerful in 1v1 either, but it's still a pretty stupid card. I'm not saying the banlists between the two formats should be exactly the same, but I'd like a little more consistency.

@NoOneOfConsequence

• Strip Mine

• Wasteland

1) read one

2) read another

3) think really hard how and why one could be strictly better than the other

Timetwister does absolutely nothing broken and affects both players equally. Think of it like this. In multiplayer, if you loop strip mine 3 times in multiplayer, everyone (including you) is down a land, nbd. If you do it 1v1, they're down 3 and you're down 1. Also, WOTC is much weaker to pressure from the playerbase (who largely knows absolutely nothing about making a proper banlist and can't tell the difference between strong and unbalanced) than the RC because that's how Wizards makes money.

Saying Timetwister affects both players equally is like saying that Smokestack affects both players equally. That's technically true, but it's really missing the point.

And, again, it's a pretty minor difference between strip mine and wasteland. A lot of competitive commander decks play very few basics. In any case, I think I may just be being condescended towards, so let's just move on.

You asked and I answered. There doesn't always have to be a more complicated answer, it can be as simple as it seems.

Strip Mine - target land

Wasteland - target nonbasic land

...I don't have to do much thinking to deem Strip Mine better than Wasteland.

He thinks he's being condescended towards, yet he started the whole thing by saying "Whatever" which is perhaps the most condescending response he could have possibly made. Ha. What a hypocrite. Stop playing victim here. You did well by posing the initial question, but you can't be so dismissive to honest feedback that happened to be the exact reason for a banning on MTGO. Sure, there may be inconsistencies regarding the banlist on MTGO and on paper. Except you shouldn't just shut someone down who gave thought and provided a straight up answer to your question. It's not like it's their fault, they simply stated the truth of the matter.

I have comment on this. To say that Timetwister does absolutely nothing broken is just an incorrect statement. It all hinges on what deck you're playing it in, and what kind of advantage you can get after resolving it. You get immediate access to the additional cards you get after resolving Timetwister, whereas your opponents generally have to wait until their turns to use the new cards they get. While on its face, Timetwister seems like a symmetrical card, it really isn't, when played correctly. It's a 3 cmc draw 7 (how is that not broken in and of itself?), that lets you reuse the busted cards you've already played; hoses graveyard strategies; and can help you equalize card-in-hand advantage, if someone else happens to pull ahead in that facet of the game, and it doesn't exile itself.

Being able to quickly dump your hand early game, and basically force mulligan your opponents into a hand they HAVE to keep, regardless if it's good or not (after they've all mulliganed into the hands they wanted, usually), is busted too. Can it backfire? Yeah, sometimes... but if you play the card correctly, you minimize the likelihood of the card backfiring. There have been countless times after I've resolved a Timetwister, and my opponent's hands became absolute garbage, and I ran away with the game.

If you just play the card, without getting an advantage out of it, you're playing it wrong.

Concerning the spoiler season, are we wainting the full spoilers to start discussing the new legendaries? Or I guess there is a reddit or Discord where all the cards are discussed?

crstisalie, you're equally likely to draw shit, and your opponent is more than likely to draw a counterspell. While it looks like a card that's secretly one sided, it's really fair because of variance :) and it isn't a draw 7 it's a wheel and that is an important difference.

If I draw shit (which doesn't happen all that often, because out of 7 cards, I usually get something useful), it's really not all that bad, since when I've resolved it, I've already gotten at least some advantage out of it (like dumping my hand full of rocks early game, and netting several cards, while fucking my opponent's hands up, for example).

It IS a draw 7, though. It tells you to draw 7 cards, thus, for all intents and purposes, it is a draw 7.

I never play it, unless there's a potential advantage to be had.

For all intents and purposes everyone draws 7 after shuffling their hands and graves back in. That is not a draw 7. You're as likely to draw shit as everyone else. So if it doesn't apply to you then it can't apply to anyone else either.

Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it NOT a draw 7. You get access to the new cards first. I usually win after resolving the card, because I choose to resolve when there's an advantage to be had. I don't cast the card all willy-nilly.

Oooookay. I gave a reason for saying 'whatever'--which, frankly, I don't think was that rude, especially considering the brevity of the previous response. Now I'm being told that I don't know how to assess cards and being called a coward for not wanting to be condescended towards.

So, Timetwister, then? I mean, while it may be the weakest of the bunch, it's one of the power 9 for a reason, guys. I usually wouldn't play it in EDH simply because it's so goddamn expensive, but just because it doesn't generate card advantage doesn't mean it's not broken as all hell.

Then your meta doesn't play counterspells or you're pubstomping

Incorrect. My meta is heavy blue, and I am 100% against pubstomping. What kind of asshole brings a 100% deck to a FNM full of casuals? Not me, that's for sure.

With Timetwister, timing is everything.

Broken implies that it does something super overpowered or unfair. It does neither. It's a good wheel but it's not broken at all let alone "broken as all hell." NoOneOfConsequence, was there something wrong with my response to your question? I believe I answered it fully and correctly. Tell me if I'm wrong, though I'm assuming you can't because if you knew the correct answer you wouldn't have asked.

Broken implies that it does something super overpowered or unfair. It does neither. It's a good wheel but it's not broken at all let alone "broken as all hell." NoOneOfConsequence, was there something wrong with my response to your question? I believe I answered it fully and correctly. Tell me if I'm wrong, though I'm assuming you can't because if you knew the correct answer you wouldn't have asked.

crstisalie, if you're in a heavy blue meta and draw your opponents 7 new cards each, and they're all the same level decks as you, then A) they're as unlikely as you are to draw shit and B) there's no way you'll win the majority of the time you resolve the card.

woah lotta msgs since I looked last xD ya'll gimme a minute

You literally just used the word 'cowardly' in description of me. If that's calling me a coward, then grass isn't green and the sky isn't blue. Don't split hairs.

I've been saying that they don't actually play very differently in the format, which is something that you've been continuing to ignore. Obviously strip mine is more powerful, but it's a minor difference in an actual 1v1 competitive commander game.

Also, pubstomping? What is this, tf2? Sure, let me just go down to the local country club for a rousing game of CEDH--just where do you play magic, anyway?