SynergyBuild I just went over every card I saw lol. A colorless land would just be a colored land and our mana is consistent enough as it is.

Also we cut symbiote didnt we? Or did we never get around to it. ik we discussed

Manglehorn is indeed not bad and spellseeker is a nice additional tutor (even more so in UG when you don't have a lot of cards to find Flash for example). Other than that it's spot on what SynergyBuild said. you tried to make it work and it sort of does but it's far away from what you said it would be in the beginning. Looks like the card was just overhyped as a commander and is probably solid as a 2nd copy of pod in a deck that already uses pod. or it's just Soren841 making things too complicated as it's always the case.

I'm not making anything complicated. It's actually pretty simple. She'also pretty bad as just a 2nd pod.

I never said that spellseeker was bad, reread my post!

I saw >-> chill

I was tryna tell Winterblast, sry.

If trying to get a pod chain up to 8 isn't complicated, I don't know what is. Pod is good as a combo enabler because it usually takes 2-4 activations to assemble a winning combo, not up to cmc 8 to let a Hulk die inbetween. You dedicate a ton of cards to the goal of having the commander serve as an alternative to Hulk and that definitively is complicated. You could just assemble a combo directly without going up to hulk...and if hulk gets lost, your pod line ends in nothing except untap shenanigans. that is not what you sold everyone the commander for and I doubt it even has a significantly higher power ceiling than you demonstrated.

I dedicated like 16 card slots and you can still assemble the combo w/o Hulk. If this is going to just deteriorate into "just play a completely different deck" (like you always do coughcough) then just stop talking now. It isn't helpful or productive.

Good that you see it yourself now lol

What is all this noise even about? Prime Speaker Vannifar is easily 'high power' if not competitive... Birthing Pod is a powerhouse of a card and having it in the command zone should be great. Probably going to suffer from similar issues to Mairsil, the Pretender though...

Needs/wants haste and requires some amount of setup to go off in one turn.

Oh she's definitely competitive. The question tbh is if she's max power but only time will tell, given the description of max power.

DrukenReaps yeah, she really good, just not tier 1 IMO. If it is, I don't know the line.

I can maybe see her as a tier 1 commander, but as of right now her Pod line to Hulk isn't nearly as streamline as it should be for qualifying for tier 1 material. I honestly think she should be geared around more of a value and stax/midrange engine as of right now. There is definitely a possibility that she will get improvements in the future, but she requires a Haste enabler and an outside source to sac Hulk when she gets to it to really go off like she wants to. On top of that, the Ezuri Sage combo doesn't feel very great since it isn't a condensed package by any means.

Tier 2 feels comfortable for me, but even a drop to tier 3 wouldn't surprise me because it just hasn't impressed me a whole lot. That's just my opinion at the moment.

Stax without White, Black, or Red a difficulty when going a creature route that Vannifar implies. Maybe some cards like Sphere of Resistance, Damping Matrix, Trinisphere, Thorn of Amethyst and Null Rod can be run, but that just makes some opponents struggle, an opposing hulk or druid deck will outrace Vannifar with ease at that point, do to the inconsistency of finding these stax pieces without fetchable tutors like Trophy Mageing for Trinisphere... All worse than just fetching a Spellseeker for Summoner's Pact for Protean Hulk or seeking a Flash in many cases.

The commander isn't as good as it seems, it is a slower tutor than Sidisi, Undead Vizier in many cases, as there aren't any amazing lines.

There's just no reason to go midrange when she does have the ability to just win. Not in Simic. Building the list sure it's like we wish it'd be more compact but then you play it and imo I would not put her below tier 2 and I can see tier 1. A better sonic Hulk package would be nice but eh

Tier 2 is what I said, as is not tier 1.

If she could Pod at instant speed to get a Hulk package set up on an opponent's turn my opinion would be vastly different.

She'd also be able to fetch answers like Phyrexian Revoker, Scavenging Ooze, Reclamation Sage, Manglehorn and Ravenous Slime, not to mention do tricks like sacrificing creatures in response to removal.

Well, Stifle , Disallow , Trickbind , etc., could be anywhere from a minor setback to a complete blowout against Vannifar, depending.

Or even Linvala, Cursed Totem, Pithing Needle, Phyrexian Revoker, and Containment Priest.

Don't forget Sorcerous Spyglass , Torpor Orb , Hushwing Gryff , and Humility . ;)

Those cards would probably be saved to counter the hulk trigger, but yeah it would be a major blowout NoOneOfConsequence.

For the staxy build of Vannifar I personally feel that it won’t do as well as a combo version, simply because she requires sacrifice fodder and sacrificing stax pieces to get more stax doesn’t seem great.

Also my chain lines usually stop at 6 for Deadeye Navigator and Triskelion , though my deck has a large focus on getting Thornbite Staff out as soon as possible.

Overall I don’t believe Vannifar is T1 but T2/3. She has a lot of potential but won’t quite get there.

Those are all problems for Sisay too though, so imo there are way worse weaknesses.

generalrenard she's definitely not 3 imo. She could be tier 1 but I think she could use a new card or two to help that. Time will tell but solidly tier 2 for sure imo. Like she's definitely competitive, high power feels too low. Just how competitive idk. I say imo a lot please send help