It looks like Jodah, Archmage Eternal isn’t on the list?

Nevermind I was blind

Makes sense thank you

I've been playing a Godo deck for a while and my experience concurs with the others here that he deserves to move up a tier.

Either way, thanks for this list!

Sooo what is the ruling on wishes and sideboard?

I'd like to know because Captain Sisay can now use "Karn, the Great Creator" to possibly get win cons with the -2 abilities and doubles up as a hate piece :D

Also hopefully Captain Sisay can make an appearance on the following lab maniacs episode

Edh is a social format. For which any additional rules or stipulations in your meta are not governed by any rules committee. If your friends will let you have a wishboard then by all means you are allowed.

The decks listed currently don't support wishboards as it is not in the "official" set of rules by the edh committee.

But something to note: if wishes get brought in it will add some cool complexity & tutors to colours usually unable to - meaning that a fair few lists may pop up based on this & furthermore many decks will likely use these (though this is unlikely).

CyborgAeon While I am aware that EDH is a social format, I disagree with using that as an excuse to ignore the format's rules. If you're at home, sure, go wild - but if you're at a store? I shouldn't have to point out that partial mulligans are no longer a part of the rules when I sit down at a pod in a new store. Magic as a game started out as a casual experience, but the fact of the matter is it has long since evolved past that and one of my biggest gripes about EDH is WoTC's failure to officially support and moderate the format's rules.

In any event, to summarize: sideboards and partial mulligans don't exist in EDH. They are against the rules and asking to do/use them is asking to ignore the rules. Similarly to using banned cards or cards you do not have VALID copies of (gold-bordered and/or true proxies); playing a game means accepting the rules for said game.

ShaperSavant Ah. I've oddly never actually looked at that limitation of Food Chain (my copy has seen very little use); this was basically just an example, though - is Food Chain the most effective infinite mana combo, then? Because Tasigur specifically gives you access not only to the entire deck but recurs everything, as well, with infinite mana - so most lines requiring Timetwister or some other effect to return a card in order to 'complete' the infinite aren't necessary - your wincon can be any number of utility cards which are never 'dead' drops before you've achieved that infinite. I suppose my point is Tazri (in my example) doesn't actually help you get to your infinite so I was curious how much of a difference a few more colors make. I'm not questioning the resilience of Tazri, I'm just curious how some of these other commanders which win as soon as you have infinite mana are lacking.

As an aside, anyone think the new Jace (Laboratory Maniac) might make an appearance in some of the cEDH lines? The effect being on a noncreature is particularly interesting.

Food Chain is one of the strongest infinite mana combos; the big other contender is Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal . It has a few notable upsides: it costs 3 mana total with some board presence (vs. 4), doesn't require non summoning-sick creatures or artifact critical mass, it doesn't use the activated abilities of artifacts or creatures and thus is not impacted by Cursed Totem or Null Rod, is a mana ability that is difficult to respond to in some contexts, is an enchantment which is difficult for black or red to interact with, etc. One of the biggest draws of the Food Chain builds is that single cards tutor both halves of the combo: e.g. Demonic Consultation exiles Eternal Scourge on the way to Food Chain . Food Chain also gets cantripping tutors for the exile creatures a la Manipulate Fate .

Isochron's main upsides are being able to use the mana for non-creatures, and getting outlet commanders with higher utility. Artifact tutors are much less powerful than the exile tutors, which means less tutor density overall.

They're both quite strong with both having slight tradeoffs that make them worthy of sitting around the same power bracket.

New Jace will likely see a good amount of play in Laboratory Maniac centric builds like Consultation Kess.

MadMage

@n0bunaga it is one of my pet peeves; it may seem like a simple matter to 'explain something' if it is a store you frequent often and people KNOW you - but then in that situation you really don't have to make such explanations. The only time this would come up is as a new player, meaning it WILL cause some level of friction if the group is clearly used to using a 'house rule' (otherwise there would be no need to point it out).

As far as the ruling, your interpretation of that exact line is clearly different from mine - the default state is a negative. The fact that they wrote in the reminder that you can make 'house rules' doesn't change the fact that it would be a variation of the rule-set for your playgroup and should not be assumed, therefor as per rules they are not allowed [without prior agreement] just as banned cards are not allowed [without prior agreement].

n0bunga I mean, I'm reading the words verbatim here.

"...do not function in Commander [without prior agreement on their scope from the playgroup]."

The section in brackets is a condition; until that condition is met the section is effectively not there. Meaning the default state of the rules reads as:

"Abilities which refer to other cards owned outside the game (Wishes, Spawnsire, Research, Ring of Ma'ruf) do not function in Commander."

While I am aware the answer to the 'can I sideboard in EDH' question is a BIT more than a simple "No.", I feel that adding the qualifications merely confuses a player asking said question and one should never go into a game blind with the expectation that a sideboard will be acceptable, thus it is safer to simply presume the default state. And to be frank, event organizers and private playgroups can make any variation or qualifications to the rules they'd like, it doesn't change the fact that these are variations and/or qualifications and the default state of the rules still stands otherwise.

In any event, this really isn't a great place to have this discussion...

Does somebody want to talk/comment about the potential of

Fblthp,The Lost

as a new mono blue, Teferi-style combo-commander? Some people in my playgroup already hail him as a new Tier 1 Commander. I am still undecided.

Hello there,

First of all, thanks a lot for creating and maintaining this list! My suggestion for a change concerns Mina and Denn, Wildborn . I notice it is categorized here under “Mid Power”. However, my experiences with M&D is that they could fit into the “High Power - B” category. The list I run can easily compete with other generals in that tier. However, those experiences might be meta-dependent. Could you have a look?

Mina & Denn's Supermassive Landmass | Primer

Commander / EDH Beebles

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Thanks!

PyreCracker

I'm testing this deck. But I'm more hyped of the casually style points, then the upsides to Teferi that this little dude brings with him.

It's 2 Mana faster. Proteus Staff feel's less as a dead card then Chain Veil outside of combo, rather you never will play it in any normal case outside of combo, because it can get removed from the game.

Helm + Future Sight + Top Paradox Engine + Key + Top

Feels both great in the Deck as a backup and really synergetic. While the first 3 card combo is part of an efficient "doomsday" line for the deck, the second one synergies well with the deck and in emergency situations. Key and Engine can untap Staff for a second start when someone interacts with the combo.

I think the main issue is the lack of a second card that work directly with Fblthp. Teferi can hit tables really hard with Stasis. Fblthp lacks this possibility and sits on the High Tide Storm and Paradox Scepter backup.

Hi all. I would be keen to get some input from people on the following deck:

Overlord Overkill

Commander / EDH* enpc

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Which I am trying to optimise for cEDH play. There are a few cards in question and it would be good to get people's thoughts on it, if they have the time/energy. Cheers.

Daxos the Returned is High Power I believe. My deck list on here is outdated, I'll try to update it soon.

I play other decks that are tiered like Kaalia of the Vast (High Power), Ghoulcaller Gisa (Mid Power), Marrow-Gnawer (Mid Power), Kozilek, Butcher of Truth (Mid Power).

Daxos the Returned is at least a Tier above those decks, and Kaalia is not High Power, she should be Mid.

Azire have you seen BadDogs Kaalia deck? It can definitely keep up with the top of the format at a table...if you don't think she can be a lot better than Daxos, maybe you just play her weaker?

@iAzire

High power decks seem to be defined as decks weaker than competitive on average, but that can hold their own in a comp pod if built right. Also if paired against 6-7/10 decks, they should beat them on a regular basis.

Take Kefnet for instance; Kefnet can win off IsoRev or play HT efficiently. And if built well, he could be relevant in a pod with comp decks. But generally, Thras is better for IsoRev, and JVP and Baral are better for HT.

Kaalia isn’t competitive by any stretch. However she is a beast in focused/optimized and with enough acceleration and stax, she can be a factor at competitive tables.

I’m very interested in this Daxos that supposedly can keep up with higher tables. For Daxos to be High power, his budgetless “perfect” build should be able to play side by side with competitive decks and stomp focused/optimized/7 decks on a regular basis. And I myself have yet to see such build

I know she isn't cedh truly, but what do you think is the go to option for feather the redeemed? I was thinking hatebears flicker and draw to try to grind out games, with some added tech to fill in the blank spots where boros lacks good staples. Tethmos High Priest seems pretty decent. She's mid power at best, but how?

I trawled through hundreds of possibilities for feather. She's bad. Competitive or not - you'll struggle to fit much in, as she's a value engine that requires you to run protection in place of interaction. If she let you buy back path & swords hitting opposing creatures? Possibly. But as it stands, there don't seem to be many effective ways to play that atm.

Though there is something to be said about burning Stuffy Doll over & over in casual edh.

She cant be THAT bad probably second best option f,or boros (lol) but after extensive gatherer searching I've come to pretty much the same conclusion. I want a viable boros commander so bad man. They print stuff like grog and najeela, knowing how they will work in edh, but wont print a rw commander who says draw a card? I'm tired of having to pick between such terrible options. I'll probably still make a list, but it will be a gauntlet of brewing to make anything halfway viable. Worst case I'll just add colors to my kozi storm list and slap her in for just the cantrips. So close

I am honestly saddened. As someone who's never cared about Boros, I could never empathize. But man, you guys get the short end of that stick. Hope you guys get a viable general one day.

Inkmoth ydek. I have a tiana stax deck that I've been trying SO hard to make into fringe-cEDH. But it's nigh-impossible. Boros love is tough. Better yet, though I did colab on a hideous Munda, Ambush Leader that just uses her in a similar fashion to new niv. Except instead of drawing combo pieces, you use her 'any order' ability to reorganize your deck into an 80 card doomsday pile, play a draw spell and win. Not quite as good as Depala eggs, but any way to abuse boros means it's OP.

Also; ahem. As an advocate of the meme decks, I'd like to suggest both Gonti Food Chain and Depala eggs get shifted up a tier from mid power to high power. Meme decks or not, they do function... ish.

Winterblast JohnnyCRO n0bunga

Here is my Daxos the Returned deck. Like I said, I believe it is at least High Power. Check it out, give me some pointers, whatever. I will not turn away free help to make my deck better.

Epic of Daxos