Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]

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CyborgAeon says... #1

@ThrunTheTroll628

Your points are absolutely valid and I can definitely understand why you'd believe that godo is a slower deck that shouldn't be considered as high-power as it is. Here I'll hopefully show reasonable counterpoints to your arguments.
Forgive me if I'm wrong (@otherGodoPlayers) but Godo is considered a 0 card combo, as all you need to have is mana. It's irrelevant what's in hand, or on board, as you require only 11 mana to win. Furthermore, there are combos that become 1-card and require 5 mana fewer to pull off.

A fantastic example is Panharmonicon . This card allows you to search for Hammer of Nazahn in addition to helm, meaning that godo enters, gains indestructible and equips for no additional cost. Panharmonicon is also replaced in this instance by any "copy" effect - ie Heat Shimmer , Twinflame etc. all allow you to pull off this same effect for significantly less mana.

If you look into the extensive amount of work, time and research that went into this brew, you'll find that many cEDH players ie gtoast99, insertcleverphrasehere have spent a lot of time refining builds to come up with an evenly stax & combo efficient build. Looking at some builds that are only ritual effects and combo pieces, I could understand you'd be convinced the deck has flaws. But it's been proven time and time again that the best pilots show how worthy the deck is of it's tiered placement.
When you look at cards like Treasonous Ogre you may think "well, I'll add a mana here or there", but you could - in a godo build, see it as a single card that ends the game, as you have a 0 card combo in the command zone.

Admittedly, when you begin reviewing cards such as Soulbright Flamekin I can understand that the mana investment may not seem strong enough. Nonetheless, with all the fast mana available - the deck consistently pressures wins from 1-2 cards required. Though ritualling to victory is still an option

Absolutely fairly - you've found the crux of the deck. A pilot needs this card to resolve, or it's all for naught. With that in mind, I believe most decks run the full suite of blue specific counters, some even using Burnout . This is not always enough, but comparatively, often charbelcher wins legacy tournaments, just because sometimes you luck out and your opponents don't open with Force of Will . For that reason, both decks are considered strong
Yes, you've got a great point. Godo folds to A LOT of stax cards, but similar to the above, it consistently wins before these are an issue.

This point could be summed up with the above, but it's relevant for me to mention that many decks have switched from some of the above stax pieces to combat Flash -hulk decks, as they're just as fast as godo, but have more interaction and a greater consistent speed. While Torpor Orb & friends are great, most people have cut it from lists, as it doesn't do enough to combat the more common threats.

TL;DR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26SblcKLQsM

May 17, 2019 9:33 a.m.

Tae_Grixis says... #2

Can we get a list like this for Oathbreaker?

May 17, 2019 10:25 a.m.

@CyborgAeon Thanks for the in depth response! I see that you've put thought into all my issues with the deck. I suppose I can see the deck has enough going for it to at least be of note.

I still feel the deck doesn't stand a chance in my meta, but I can see it being an option in meta's with less stax + interaction.

As a final question, what advantages does Godo have over other fast combo decks? Is the "0 card" combo all? Why would I choose Godo over Shuffle Hulk or, if I still wanted to be all in, Hermit Druid ?

May 17, 2019 11:19 a.m.

Hissp says... #4

ThrunTheTroll628 I'd suggest you read through the primer I posted early:


Waiting for Godo - cEDH primer

Commander / EDH gtoast99

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Godo actually performs very well through most stax. It has to deal with Null Rod (which it has workarounds for) and Torpor Orb (which is sort of a fringe stax card) but gets under (and runs!) Cursed Totem , Grafdigger's Cage , and Spheres and also doesn't care much about Rest in Peace or Draw/Spell cast limiting Stax.

May 17, 2019 12:12 p.m.

Your decklist is the one I've been looking at. At least in playtests it seems to average turn 4 wins with no interaction, I'm open to the possibility that I'm just playing suboptimally, but it still seems too slow, all the same. I can see that the deck can certainly make some upsets but I'm not sold yet.
All the same, I've only played against the deck twice, the first time it crumpled to a counter spell, the second game shuffle hulk just won on turn three. While these seem like frequent issues with the deck I'll wait till love played it some more and see if my opinion has changed.

May 17, 2019 12:30 p.m.

Schubacca says... #6

Where is the decklist that made Vannifar competitive?

May 17, 2019 6:06 p.m.

Schubacca says... #7

Yes, mine is certainly a sub optimal list due to budget restrictions, but I did find this one (http://http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/prime-rib-3/) and it seems a lot better, with no budget restrictions. I think 28 land is a little light, but with all the ramp it almost makes up for it. Thank you.

May 20, 2019 9:54 a.m.

skyhaven says... #8

ShaperSavant should the Captain Sisay not be replaced by another list ? like your Boat Arc list? Just saying the list in description is not optimal anymore and did not see any change in the past 11 months.

just my 2 cents. That deck still runs great but its getting old and not up to date.

May 21, 2019 6:46 a.m.

pokejerk20 says... #9

skyhaven Boat arc list?

May 21, 2019 9:47 a.m.

skyhaven says... #10

pokejerk20 yea the boat arc list. Been playing it for a month and playgroup hates it played the other list 2 but this one is so much faster.

May 21, 2019 11:16 a.m.

ShaperSavant says... #11

Paradox Sisay - Boat Arc

It's a prospective upgrade to Paradox Sisay that LabManiac_Sigi, Lerker, myself and the current Sisay primer's author Beau aka biopower worked on.

It is currently in the testing phase and we will make updates to the listed resources once we've thoroughly tested the lines and list.

skyhaven pokejerk20

May 21, 2019 11:21 a.m.

MagickedOne says... #12

Is the Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain “eggs” build also part of its tier 2 standing or is there a different build ?

May 21, 2019 12:30 p.m.

skyhaven says... #13

ShaperSavant LabManiac_Sigi Lerker if this helps local game store is playing a really heavy cedh meta I'm speaking of bloodpod,shimmer zur, Gitrog monster,etc it's holding its own realy wel against all of these and even winning a lot of the times. Most of the time it comes down to the die roll. Love the the deck Keep up the good work :)

May 21, 2019 2:13 p.m.

PyreCracker says... #14

Urza, Lord High Artificer! Nuff said.

May 21, 2019 4:02 p.m.

pokejerk20 says... #15

The new sliver is easily better than Tazri and Niv.

May 22, 2019 5:47 p.m.

ChibiNature says... #16

pokejerk20

I agree 100%

May 22, 2019 5:52 p.m.

I'll third, lol

Sounds nice to not really have to worry about exiling your wincons

Even if they have to add in a couple of sliver wincons, hard casting the new sliver seems like a better "plan Z" then all the others.

Also, thoughts on Urza? Seems like a Teferi that's better at breaking parity (plus much easier to cast) but at the same time, it doesn't have a two card combo, which has always helped Teferi stand out compared to all the other Mono-blue generals.

May 23, 2019 7:55 a.m.

pokejerk20 says... #18

Urza is a better Teferi IMO. Not super familiar with Teferi so that's just my outside perspective.

May 23, 2019 10:43 a.m.



Easy maximum power tier, assuming she doesn't get banned of course.

May 23, 2019 2:45 p.m.

dammit, thi image link didn't work, I'm terrible at HTML, I wanted to link this image: https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/155/ayula-queen-among-bears

May 23, 2019 2:46 p.m.

Alexrb19 says... #21

I’m sorry but this list has gone to hell, it used to be so good but now it’s awful, so many competitive commanders need to be put back in to the competitive section like sliver queen

I understand that new commanders come out however a deck doesn’t stop being competitive it only gets better as new cards are released

Also the najeela list is quite bad, you can do flash hulk combos in her and birthing pod combos for instant wins and have attacking as a backup route to victory

May 25, 2019 6:20 p.m.

Winterblast says... #22

Absolutely, the combat only Najeela really isn't the best example of what the commander is capable of.

May 25, 2019 6:27 p.m.

pokejerk20 says... #23

Anyone out here playing Yisan. Thoughts on it?

May 25, 2019 10:56 p.m.

Alexrb19 says... #24

Pokejerk, I play yisan, he works very well, it’s not really any different to when I used exiting except his added consistency and ability to tutor things out from deck is fantastic, certainly the best green comander I have ever played, I have over 100 combinations of combos from 5 main combos with 5 super dorks such as priest of Titania and then multiple finishers (mana outlets)

May 26, 2019 9:32 a.m.

Alexrb19 are you trolling? If not, please give decklists, Sliver Queen is bad imo, and in the case of Najeela, focused combo decks are usually much better than ones with multiple, non-overlapping combos.

May 26, 2019 3:18 p.m.

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