Anyone have any competitive Mizzix lists I can look at?

Hey!

Nice list. I put together a spreadsheet of commanders to sort by a few different things (color identity, price, cmc, etc.) And thought it would be a good idea to include a power level. Would you mind if I use your tiers for it, provided I included a note giving you credit?

Yuriko, Karlov, Titania in HIGH POWER and not COMPETITIVE are very strange ratings.... But in general in this list there are a lot of evident mistakes... And these are obvious if you see the top8 of various edh tournaments

Siderial This is more or less a community list so they shouldn't mind too much, the owners of this list are also pretty inactive so I would just go ahead. Throughout the few years I've been playing and observing cEDH this as remained the highest quality list.

LuxInterfecta80 this explicitly a multiplayer commander list....

please point to "top8" results.........

I may be a bit biased as I play Yuriko, but I'm actually surprised that she's in High Power opposed to Competitive. I feel that over the past year she's developed into a really competitive deck.

I hate to be a nuisance, but maybe someone can help me remember:

Some cEDH decks like Meren are said to be parasitic on the meta, could someone explain this term to me? I seem to recall that it meant that they require inordinate inclusions of specific responses (such as grave hate for Meren) but in such a combo-centric meta where non-blue decks struggle to be competitive and the format is so fast, is this still an issue?

Not_a_Goat personally (coming from a meren main as well) some people hate when they have to change up a deck to deal with something. At a cedh table thats not used to dealing with a meren or just grave centric decks the deck can just go off relatively unchecked. Leading to some people getting upset over it. My own experience ive sat down with an un-defeated urza deck and shut him down turn 1 with a rootmaze and turn 2 collector ophe. He spent the next 3 turns complaining that "how could i possibly deal with this B.S". But thats just my experience.

Not_a_Goat Yeah people just complain whenever they sit at a table and aren’t prepared to deal with their opponent’s deck, especially when it interferes with whatever their deck is trying to do. I’m of the mind that your deck should run answers to its own weaknesses.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cedh-siona-stax/?cb=1579840464 Not entirely optimal I'm sure, however, I feel this serves as a good outline to prove that this deck has enough consistency to prove that it belongs in Competitive or at least High Power.

Not_a_Goat Parasitic is a bit of a misnomer. It's meant to describe decks that lack interaction on one or more axes. Let's look at pod comp of T&T Shuffle Hulk (I'm purposely ignoring Sushi Hulk in this example), Food Chain First Sliver, and Kess Consultation (and you, Meren! - I'm using the Honorless Meren list from the cEDH database as reference):

T&T player casts Flash. You (the Meren player) has 0 cards to deal with this threat on the stack. You have to cast Assassin's Trophy AND Abrupt Decay stop the win once the Hulk trigger has resolved. On the other hand, the Kess player has Counterspell, Delay, Dispel, Flusterstorm, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Negate, Pact of Negation, Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, and Swan Song. FCSC has most of these answers as well.

The Food Chain matchup is a better in that you have 2 sources of instant-speed enchantment removal as well as Caustic Caterpillar to hamper the Food Chain player's setup. Even still, the Kess player still has Counterspell, Delay, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Negate, Pact of Negation, Swan Song, Chain of Vapor and Cyclonic Rift, as well as the ability to instant-speed tutor with cards like Tainted Pact or Mystical Tutor plus a draw effect (which they have more of than Meren) in a pinch. So you best matchup in terms of interaction at the table is only half as good as the other players, with the other 2 matchups being far worse.

The parasitic term comes from the idea that the Meren player (in this example) is leeching off the other 2 players' ability to stop the 4th player from winning. If there were 3 parasitic decks (Meren can't race very well) and a Flash Hulk or Consult deck in a pod, the non-parasitic deck would have a massive advantage. Gitrog is also a parasitic deck in this sense, except it's much faster than Meren and very resilient to interaction and stax.

Meren typically won't play threats - in terms of backbreaking stax pieces like Rest In Peace or Cursed Totem - that players must answer in order to win. Hence, most of your spells will resolve uncontested and you'll be poised to win in the late game when your graveyard-based engine is running. You'll still be hard-pressed to answer Flash or Consult though :(

Why I said parasitic is a misnomer is that it depends entirely on pod composition. Let's say your pod is instead FCFS, Urza, and Godo. All these decks have wincons that rely on artifacts or enchantments, which you're much better suited to deal with. I would argue that you shouldn't be labeled as parasitic in this pod since you can tutor for a quick Caterpillar and make life pretty miserable for the pod, though it does require some setup. Let's say the pod is Yisan, Blood Pod, and Taigam - now you're in a much better position to grind out victory from the very start!

I want to submit my primer of Ezuri, Renegade leader. I strongly believe he is an overlooked mono green commander and has the ability to be a cedh deck. Would love any feedback or tips!

Ezuri Combo Elves *Primer*

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Why is teshar only mid power it should be at least high power

Is Thassa's Oracle+Demonic Consultation going to change the tier 1 decks? It manifests Thrasios-Tymna's hold on the meta, but is it also going to warp the tiers below by buffing Laboratory Maniac decks?

Where can I find the most powerful Yawgmoth, Thran Physician list?

So I imagine you guys have already talked to death about Thassa's Oracle but I was wondering does it make Mairsil, the Pretender enough stronger to go up a tier? The line of play is the same as with Laboratory Maniac except that now you just win at the end of it.

Get Mirror-Mad Phantasm into hand or graveyard and play Mairsil.

Mairsil uses mirror's ability which dumps the entire library into the graveyard.

Narcomoeba, Fatestitcher, Gravecrawler, Dread Return, and thassas oracle are now in the graveyard.

Narco brings itself back, Pay the unearth for fatestiticher, pay the for gravecrawler. Fate could untap a land for you if needed.

Sac all of them to play dread return on thassa's oracle. ETB resolves and you win.

It does seem pretty vulnerable and is definitely a win or bust combo. Needs to go off.

I guess Thassa probably brought into question any deck that used Maniac... Thoughts? I'm not a competitive player so I'm just wandering around in the dark here ;)

DrukenReaps that's a lot of mana for a combo that folds to removal.

anyone with a competitive deck list for Selvala, Heart of the Wilds and Derevi, Empyrial Tactician

orangejesus checks database link

Iraruel the selvala hearth of the wild list in not

orangejesus it is there mono green and named "selvala brostorm". Did you check Here? That's where most of the competitive lists are and is at the bottom of the competitive section.

weird thing I noticed, you have two copies of progenitus

one of the most helpful writeups about EDH on the entire internet, this coming from a casual player. love it, reference this page all the time

hey can you add this decklist to the kenrith tab it's one of the best brews and the boys who made it also made a primer to go with it https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marmelade-sandwich-tea/

SMASHER101 - Here's an outstanding cEDHE Yawgs deck - Yawgs Win cEDH

You have doomsday and shimmer myr listed as the two best zur decks but most people that I have asked recently have said that consultation zur is better.