Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]
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Thanks! As a rule I wonder if no new commander should be put above a 2 without a list. It's easier to see a list/primer to push something up then get feedback that a commander is underperforming to knock it down. Again, thank you for your time and effort.
April 23, 2020 3:27 p.m.
Coward_Token says... #3
Not an cEDH expert by any means but raised my eyebrows at some of the Ikroia partners getting tier 1.5/2, interested to hear your reasoning
April 23, 2020 3:40 p.m.
So Heliod, Sun-Crowned finally makes mono-white competitive. it has come a long way these last few sets I would say.
April 23, 2020 6:57 p.m.
I've been testing a range of decks, Najeela, Kess, Urza, Heliod, Kykar, Edric, Thrasios//Smasher, Godo and Sisay, and would agree overall with the new tier rankings. I do not believe all "C" tier decks are born equal. Heliod and Kykar have been outstanding for me, they feel much stronger than my other tier "C" decks. I would not be shocked to see Heliod move up to 1.5 at some point. And Divergent strategies, being the premier instant speed win outlet in cEDH might see an uptick in play.
April 24, 2020 7:57 a.m.
CrimsonWings3689 says... #7
Small gripe: The current letter convention is unconventional. "G" being a thing isn't a factor in school or video games. An easier point of reference might be to adopt what video games do and include the "S" tier for the Titans and have the most casual of commanders in the "F" tier. Unless that was your intention to defy the norm.
Outside of access to the colors, @Spinal_Remains has a point, Sidisi, Brood Tyrant in 1.5?
April 24, 2020 10:15 a.m.
Spinal_Remains says... #8
CrimsonWings3689 like I said, I love SBT. It's one of my 4 deck I have on here lol. I just don't know why it a 1.5. Is it the only hulk deck now that flash is banned? Is it the only hermit druid deck? I understand oracle makes all of these lines better. I still don't see 1.5 though.
April 24, 2020 10:53 a.m.
CrimsonWings3689 says... #9
@Spinal_Remains - I hear you. There's no context for it being there. What she does can be fun, but combat is generally weak as compared to combo, and without evasion and a max of a single 2/2 zombie token per instance of mill or similar effect, she seems weaker than the others in that tier. Access to Sultai is the only thing that makes sense, IMO.
If that's the case, Tasigur or the new "partner with" commanders from 2020 seem like better options with more reach. And they're even in the same 1.5 tier.
April 24, 2020 11:06 a.m.
Coward_Token says... #10
I guess Brallin, Skyshark Rider Flip can deal pretty good incremental damage with wheels, but is that fast enough for tier 2?
Haldan, Avid Arcanist and his doge just seem like partnerless temur Kraum, Ludevic's Opus to me, although I suppose that in cEDH, the likely low average CMC of all decks involved will probably mean you will get to cast a lot of stuff.
PS. There's 2x Thrasioses listed. Accident or a signifier of his dominance?
April 24, 2020 11:12 a.m.
Frostman1255 says... #11
CrimsonWings3689 I've actually see sidisi as foodchain/consult. If you assemble foodchain you can mill your library to grave then flashback dread return to reanimate thassas oracle for the win. Or just normal consolation lines.
April 24, 2020 11:34 a.m.
Frostman1255 says... #12
As for brallin you slap curiosity on him with a discard outlet you win. Or pass turn with 8 cards in hand and curiosity on brallin.
April 24, 2020 11:38 a.m.
CrimsonWings3689 says... #13
@Frostman1255 - I suppose I should have figured that would be the case. I honestly wonder where the format would be without Thassa's Oracle and Food Chain now that Flash is banned. Quite a few of the decks in the upper tiers would be downgraded for the loss of those 2 cards alone. Lab man and Jace offer resiliency, sure, but that ETB trigger is super rough and offers a less interruptible option for less mana. and nothing else does what Food Chain does.
I've seen far to many games end with Oracle that it's no longer entertaining to watch decks with both blue and black in a deck's colors.
April 24, 2020 12:46 p.m.
WaitingForGodo says... #14
It feels so weird to not see the frog in "max" tier, he still seems exceptionally good to me and his biggest weakness IMO was how bad he compared to sushi hulk, which isn't a problem anymore. Has it to do with his combo being so complicated and sometimes hard to pull off in an competetive setting?
April 24, 2020 3:08 p.m.
Matticusrex says... #15
Im suprised that Zaxara is only mid tier, he has the strongest colors and some easy to activate combos for an instant win.
April 24, 2020 7:47 p.m.
i don't like the new layout, especially the "fringe competitive 2.5" list it is very misleading, as many of the commanders on that list are stronger than many of the commanders on the 1.5 and 2 lists. the 5 color food chain commanders are prime examples.
April 25, 2020 2:24 p.m.
Frostman1255 says... #17
Phroggy1 that's very subjective to start out. But they are fringe because better options (like first sliver) exist. Sure I could bring out the o'l general tazz build but it will always be a suboptimal deck when I could easily swap out for first sliver and have a stronger deck. The point of having a whole tier labeled fringe is to say they are strong. But generally speaking theres a better option for a very similar deck. Or at least that's how I see it
April 25, 2020 5:29 p.m.
Whats the main difference between "Titans" and "Exemplary"?
The idea of being strong over multiple meta-shifts? Does that mean an Exemplary Commander can "become a titan", if he stays consistently strong?
I don't really get the concept of "exemplary", because there are now commanders from the former "competitive" tier and the former "maximum power" tier grouped together.
I would suggest a simpler classification. Something like "very competitive / competitive / borderline competitive / high power / mid power (/ casual / janky)". Thats just my aproach.
Thanks for the effort, though. I really appreciate the work you guys put into this!!!
April 26, 2020 5:36 a.m.
http://tappedout.net/users/Frostman1255/ i would argue in many way's that TFS isn't a stronger build than tazz/niv as it is much weaker to it's own forbidden tutors, (the main reason to play niv over tazri in the first place) and again ranking them below things like sidisi, rashmi, meren, momir vig, hapatra (the list literally goes on) is very misleading, this list say's "commanders by power level. just my last ditch complaint.
April 26, 2020 2:11 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #20
Very excited to see a break down of why some of the new commanders got placed so highly. I haven't seen any lists on the discord; is there another place I should be looking?
April 26, 2020 3:03 p.m.
Some notes:
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher has dropped far. Either that, or the commander powercreep of the past 2-3 sets caught up to him and now there are simply a dozen new options on the same level. Maybe both.
Why are Cazur, Ruthless Stalker and Ukkima, Stalking Shadow Flip tier 1.5? Why are Haldan, Avid Arcanist and Pako, Arcane Retriever tier 2?
How much of all this is caused by Thassa's Oracle?
April 27, 2020 6:41 p.m.
Frostman1255 says... #22
Sephyrias Ukkima and Cazur make a very powerful foodchain deck. It's in sultai colors with a pretty direct way to win off a foodchain combo with Ukkima. It's the best foodchain commander we've gotten in sultai and it's pretty much the best 3 color pair.
April 27, 2020 8:41 p.m.
Sephyrias as Frostman1255 said, Ukkima, Stalking Shadow Flip with cazar is a powerful sultai food chain commander that no longer needs a wincon in the deck as ukkima can finish once you have food chain, free's up a few cards in the 99. but i second the Haldan, Avid Arcanist and Pako, Arcane Retriever do nothing on their own and certainly don't belong where they are on the list.
April 28, 2020 2:21 p.m.
SplendiferousPotato says... #24
I've seen a few ways people have built Tatyova, from stax to turns to direct combo. What are the advantages of these builds when it comes to Ms. Tatyova, and do people know about good archetypal lists for each build?
April 29, 2020 3:27 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #25
SplendiferousPotato I believe theres a turns build done by the cedh tv guy that's pretty solid and there was a value/stax version floating around on the discord but I think it was takin dowm.
ShaperSavant says... #1
The latest update represents a major overhaul of the list, notably becoming more granular among the top categories.
This update is a culmination of THB, IKO and C20 releases and represents a revamp according to several large meta shifts: the printing of Oracle, and tentative placements given the ban of Flash.
Enjoy the new goodies from the latest releases, the ban of Flash, and all the new brewing to be done!
April 23, 2020 2:45 p.m.