I mean at least yisan is more consistant and can protect himself on verse 1 but the lack of other colors he can only go so high being just green I think he is a tier 2 but selvala is way more glass cannon yes she is explosive but in todays interactive grindy meta I just cant see it at all

I think Tayam should be in the fringe competitive at least maybe even in the competitive. Wins with a bunch of combos the main one being devoted druid plus a pump spell getting her toughness to 4. You can also run the typical abzan combos in her as well. There are a few videos online showcasing the deck in cEDH games. The deck is definitely a force in cEDH but is definitely not in the categories 1 and 1.5.

Hi guys, is Baral still tier 2 after the paradox ban? What is the secondary win condition other then dramatic scepter? Is there any updated list?

I have a question! Me and my friend have been stuck on for a while, and would love to hear an explanation from you all! Me and my friend have been discussing Kess vs Jelava for sometime now. I’m of the personal opinion, while Kess is pretty much the better card overall, does she completely invalidate Jelava? I believe even if she does outclass Jelava, Jelava is drastically stronger than a lot of decks lower than her and think she shouldn’t be much farther down the list than Kess (I 100% personally agree with 1.5 for her). I just wanted to know if you had any answers shall we say’ “Straight from the Horse’s mouth”? What keeps Jelava tier 1.5 by your standards if most list that play her are just better off playing Kess.

Where is Heliod Sun Crown ranked on this? Would he be in the competitive list?

Wait, never mind. I see my commander

why is reyhan fringe i have a deck and it is at least tier 2

Cm3: I'm guessing this is the list: Reyhan cedh gastman? If so, I would say that most of the power of the deck actually comes from having Thrasiso as one of your commanders. Reyhan enables an infinite turn combo with Sage of Hours, however that combo has a lot of moving parts which don't do a huge amount outside of the combo. The biggest value that Reyhan brings to the deck is providing black as a colour identity so that you have access to the black tutors.

I always found it somewhat interesting that the moderators of this list felt the need to drop Teferi a teir when Urza came out. The argument was that we only needed one mono U commander in the "teir 1" spot, yet with the upgraded list Urza is now down a teir, and their are 2 mono G commanders in the same teir as Urza, while Teferi is dropped even lower. It's baffling to me. Really. Teferi is a top competitor still. I have a good friend who plays him and wins as often as anyone in an overpowered meta. Now, I could see that if Urza decks did the same exact thing as Teferi decks (same combo) at a cheaper or more efficient rate that this logic would surmise. However, this is not the case, and the decks are two entirely different beasts.

I myself have played a number of different mono U decks since the mulligan change, Azami paradox (rip), Urza scepter, and Baral control (online), and I must say that it is unfair to place Teferi in the same teir as a deck like Baral. Baral is not consistent by any means in multiplayer, heck I would go as far to say that Urza is not as consistent since you need more combo peices to go off of than Teferi.

I've heard the arguments. Teferi isn't good against artifact hate. Teferi has no board presence. Etc. The first statement is true, however, it's up to the player to deal with a disruptive board state, which I have seen done a considerable amount of times, whether that player ended up winning the game or not. The deck is certainly well equipped. The seconds statement is only true if we are speaking in terms of creatures, which if this is an issue there are certainly things to be done.

Anyway, all of the top Mono U decks right now are clearly in different archetypes, and I believe full heartedly that Teferi is among the best of the best of the best sir!

Also, I think it is fair to say that any commander that only needs 1 peice to go off (as long as it's efficient and responsive) is worth noting as a top competitor.

Thanks.

So, I've pointed this out before but I still feel this list is inherently flawed and misleading due to the use of commanders as the basis of organization and not the decks themselves--or rather, the strategies used by those decks.

So what was the reasoning behind placing Vaevictus Asmadi The Dire in mid power rather than high power? I love him as a commander so I am going to be biased, but I sincerely believe he is more powerful than this list suggests. If someone wouldn't mind explaining why he is considered to be so bad, it'd be much appre

Pizza_John: I'm not a cEDH savant, but I feel Dire!Vae is too expensive, slow, and vulnerable compared to how much he can blow up in your face by 'warping in problematic permanents. Mind you, that's coming from someone who likes him for casual EDH.

(For both his sake and Pako's, I wish there were more cost-efficient ways of both looking at and manipulating other people's libraries, but fateseal was frowned upon by R&D.)

Pizza_John so thing to keep in mind mid power isn't weak. This is a list geared toward more cedh levels and in those cases vaevictus doesn't do anything special that other commanders don't do better. Plus honestly he is trying to compete in a really strong archetype. There's 2 other stronger Jund dragons that also care about sacrificing and prosh and korvold are just leagues above vaevictus

Pizza_John

It's a symptom of the goals of this list; it looks to rate the decks based on cEDH criteria and the categories themselves are applied with this perspective in mind. Personally I dislike the naming and would prefer a simple number system, as the terms themselves hold connotations with vague meanings (barely anyone agrees on what 'competitive' means in EDH, even among cEDH players).

Furthermore, you have to remember that this list isn't based on the Commanders listed but by the most competitive decks which they helm; meaning your deck is likely not the one represented here - which I would reiterate is a flaw of using the commander's name as the basis for listing. This list is about the decks themselves, and are usually helmed by the Commander which benefits the existing strategy the most.

Although, if I were listing COMMANDERS in a vacuum, ignoring the rest of the 99 (which is what listing by Commanders implies, by the by), I wouldn't rate Vaevictus very high, either. I would go so far as to place him in the lowest tier, reserved for cards with no meaningful mechanical benefits or abilities.

Chaos Warp on a stick isn't bad, per say, however this isn't CW. First off, it's a 6 mana beater without haste with an attack-based trigger - sure, flying is evasion, but it's also common and should be expected and planned for. Furthermore, CW shuffles the card - this only puts the card into the 'yard. So it's got limited effectiveness against any reanimator or aristocrats build. Sure, you can make use of the CW to cheat in big things on your side if you manipulate your deck but you're limited to like two cards that do this effectively without access to blue (Top and Scroll Rack). It's also worth noting that Chaos Warp is a staple in red due to a literal lack of options, not because it is a first choice - access to black, white, or even green grants a much larger pool of removal effects which are far more effective.

Vavectius is by no means a weak commander. Does it deserve to be in a higher tier? No, its way it should be. It has acess to green so you will be able to ramp out Vavectius early. It also has acess to black for amazing tutors and in red there are many ways to get vavectius haste. Vavectius in of itself can remove 3 problem permanents. While yes your opponent could get more value of the top of the deck, but considering this is your strategy the vavetctius player should awlays get more value off the flip than anyone else.

Yeah "lowest tier" is really harsh when the company is e.g. Veldrane of Sengir

My biggest issue with the list is the Mid power segment. It has almost half of the commanders ever printed and it really seems that some are much more powerful than others. I feel like the mid power section should really be split into two other groups because there are many arguments for commanders like Vavectus is way more powerful then lets say Alirios, Enraptured. They are some very powerful commander in that section comparative to others even though neither fit the requirement for high power

I think the release of Emiel the Blessed might be enough to bring Captain Sisay up from tier 3 to tier 2. Please take a moment to consider the lines enabled with our new unicorn friend; I describe the best ones I've found over the last two days in the description of this decklist.

Where is vito, thorn of the dusk rose???

Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose

The new set hasn't be added yet

Kels, Fight Fixer looking up to be a pretty good lab man deck

I personally believe that Zaxara belongs in high power but so be it.. but I am sure that Teshar does not belong in mid-tier. I definitely think he is viable in cEDH even if more so fringe than true-tier1 cEDH.

Heliod, God of the Sun is a very powerful cEDH commander. It can defeat many cEDH decks and can stand up to some of the most powerful commanders like urza and medium green. A video of this deck in action can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlgaexAMgw