Neheb folds to interaction, and is not nearly as fast or consistent as Godo.

Rashmi and the 4c control list that borrows her name both run a ton of interaction and generate a load of value just by controlling the board. Neheb just doesnt do enough, and mono red is at a disadvantage anyways with card quality.

So one of the things I disagree with this list is that you have Niv-mizzet Reborn is lower than Korvold when they are both food chain and Niv is a stronger deck then Korvold

When are the Jump Start commanders being added? I'm curious to know where you will place Tinybones

When are the Jump Start commanders being added? I'm curious to know where you will place Tinybones

I don’t get how Roon got moved up to tier 2.5. I know about the rule change but it still doesn’t feel that strong.

And Zur remains in Tier 1 going on a decade. Color me shocked.

Bardythebard Yeah I'd definitely disagree with you on that. I've played niv reborn and korvold as well as played vs both and korvold is consistently stronger from my experience

Why do you rate Zaxara, the Exemplary like that? Zaxara is atleast as good, as Yarok, because she costs (1) less to play, has the best commander-colors (sultai), is also a mana rock which can easily be abused with cards like Freed from the Real/Pemmin's Aura.

Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle is really good, too. He's also mentioned on cedh-database.

Any chance of seeing a Narset Turns list? Its listed as Tier 2 comoetitive but it doesnt have any list.

It should be very obvious why Zaxara is ranked in Mid Power. Also, as a side note, Zaxara is not a mana rock but a mana dork. Outside of its combo line its either just a 4 mana dork that produces 2 which is not good at all, or if you are getting value of its second ability of making hyrdas, then that means you are playing hydra tribal. And tribal is almost always put in mid tier with very few exclusions.

Yarok is leagues above Zaxara because outside of its combo line its still providing you tons of value that Zaxara cant produce.

Hello, in the meta after the flash-hulk ban, which deck/s do you consider on average to be the fastest in a more competitive surrounding?

In my opinion Winota belongs into tier 2 to 2.5. The ability to threaten to instantly win the game (usually around turn 3) when you attack with 2-3 non-humans (possibly flipping Auratouched Mage fetching Breath of Fury) is quite strong in my opinion. Even if you do not flip in the win, you either get hatebears on the board that slow your opponents down or you threaten to win the turn afterwards with your massive board.

Maybe I am a bit biased as I play the deck myself and got good success with it at high power tables but I already won turn 2 with this deck: Turn 1: Mountain + Mana Crypt + Goblin Rabblemaster. Turn 2: Plains + Winota -> flip in Auratouched Mage -> infinite combat steps

I play Ukkima, Stalking Shadow a turn 3 win I pretty consistent. When do cards get moved to Titan tier?

Mobaby the Titan tier is for commanders that have been consistently powerful over multiple shifts in the format. That aside lots of decks are able to win turn 3 consistently. That alone isn't a reason to be shifted up na tier

In your opinion, are Sliver Hivelord & Edgar Markov (two of the strongest tribal commanders ever) as bad as Lorthos, the Tidemaker & Ryusei, the Falling Star and besides that they should be weaker than Pianna, Nomad Captain & Mishra, Artificer Prodigy (I don't understand why Mishra is ranked so high in a singleton format !? he is at most tier 7...)??

They should be at least Tier 3.

• Exchange Ghost Council of Orzhova with Teysa Karlov, because she's easier to cast, is more versatile and has a lot more combo potential.
• Exchange Haktos the Unscarred with Winota, Joiner of Forces (he's maybe even better, like ElRobusto already mentioned), because he's with Feather one of the best Boros commanders at the moment. He's generating a lot of value and he's swarming the board pretty fast!
• Exchange Rasputin Dreamweaver with Braids, Conjurer Adept, why? I mean, c'mon a 6 mana 4/1 with a mediocre effect should be better than cheating in Eldrazis for free protected by counterspells and stuff?? In my opinion she's almost as good as: Jhoira of the Ghitu
• Exchange Slimefoot, the Stowaway with Zaxara, the Exemplary, it should be very obvious why Zaxara is stronger. 1. Colors + Blue means you have all the blue good stuff (counterspells, draw etc) 2. He costs only one additional mana, has Deathtouch and can produce mana and as an additional positive side effect you can create some hydras 3. in these colors Zaxara is incredible easy to break, because you have everything you need, like draw, ramp, removal, recursion, tutor, counterspells, discard etc....

Or do you really think that the commanders I mentioned above are at the same power level as Oyobi, Who Split the Heavens?

smilodex: Mishra can do stuff, not competitive but see e.g. Jank Primers: Mishra

@Coward_Token: As the title says, it's jank, slow and a gamble. It looks very fun but not like "high power edh" This is about who's the best commander and whether Mishra, Artificer Prodigy is stronger than Sliver Hivelord / Edgar Markov. And he just isn't.

smilodex: Wasn't really a comment on finer comparisons of power, it was aimed at the singleton & "tier 7" part on whether Mishra can function in EDH at all. For the rest, I'm just guessing the list owners just figure there's stronger commanders with the same color identity + archetype, see e.g. this comment.

The reason why Mishra, Artificer Prodigy might be ranked so high, could be due to its colour identity. Grixis has a mostly commander independent strategy (storm and Demonic Consultation + Thassa's Oracle for example) which by itself is a high powered strategy. Second IF you build Mishra, Artificer Prodigy using storm in mind with Possibility Storm this might result in a reasonably strong deck. Stronger than those of lower categories at least.

So, I believe the reason Mishra is placed so high is mostly due to the inherent strengths of its colour identity, which enable stronger decks even if the commander does not enhance said strategy

@Anjuna: But with your reason for consultation, all 5-color commanders should have a high power level because all cards and combos can be played. And yes, grixis is very strong, but compared to an eminence ability that triggers from the commandzone at no additional cost, Mishra as a card alone is not an absolute star. To appease the whole Mishra fanboys here, I admit that he may not be tier 7. But only because he's in grixis colors and costs only 4 mana.

Nevertheless, the other commanders are worth comparing and if someone wants to prove the opposite to me, they are welcome to play some games with the respective commanders in Xmage against me.

To the editors, thanks for editing the list. But it would be interesting for me, why you don't atleast add Edgar (+ Wintota/Zaxara) to the high power tier. Although they correspond 100% to your "high power" definition (they're played in a lot of cedh-groups and some are mentioned on the cedh database, too).

smilodex I completely agree that the placement at the lower tiers is a bit wonky. And by my reasoning should a card like O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami by much higher.

The rankings for non-competitive commanders is tricky since there isn't an objective ranking for them (while competitive commanders can use competition outcomes).

The solution would be a massive commander tournament where every commander is pitted against every other one... We can only hope

One that isn't top tier, but is probably too low is Zacama. If the deck is build to essentially operate with Zacama as a lesser Palinchron it can do some real damage if the game gets to turn 5 or so. It's extremely easy to go infinite and its also easy to run Heliod / WB as a backup since you're running WB already. I've seen it win in a Najeela / Yuriko / Animar pod a couple of times and the other decks are tuned to at least 90% of cEDH potential. The combo in the command zone isn't as good as Najeela but it's as powerful as Prossh in worse colors.

your first statement is nonsense if you've read the description. the first 4-5 tiers contain cedh decks. From a certain point on it is no longer possible to talk about cedh.

Of course, not every commander can be replaced by another of the same color, which I did not say. there are still exceptions. e.g. you can take a Kenrith list, instead play Cromat or Child of Alara as a captain and sit at a cedh table and win. Of course, this makes the deck weaker, but you could still go over and start arguing if chronmat should have a higher rating (which is not my intention here).

Why doy you think they're puzzling? they can't be that puzzling, because the editors have implemented some of my suggestions and you also agree with some points. So I don't understand your problem, according to your justification, Edgar and Zaxara should at least be set to "high power" or "fringe competetive" because they are listed on the cedh database (which I also suggested)

1. we are talking about the mid and high power level category and not necessarily cedh. Apparently you have never played braids and not too much idea how to use them, because all of your arguments can easily be invalidated with the right deck construction. Braids will of course be flashed in (emergence zone, leyline etc.) and of course you will ensure that your opponents do not have enough removal and maps such as (Kederekt Leviathan, Scourge of Fleets, Cyclonic Rift, Wash Out, Paradox Haze, Maze of Ith etc.) Benefit more from braids than yourself. In addition, your deck is designed for braids and your opponents' decks are not.
2. I see the same thing, you have feather as the only boros commander in fringe competetive (which I think it belongs to very close)
3. True, I overlooked the fact that he can sacrifice himself.
4. I do not vote here, I am sharing my experience here, which is mostly based on the performance of my decks, which I have tested sufficiently, including on playedh.

I own many of the decks myself or have played against them several times, which is why I, as an old magic hare, can definitely form my opinion. I also find it interesting how some people feel directly attacked here instead of having a healthy discussion.

From my experience I'd argue that Emry is tier 1.5