Grisly Spectacle seems like a good idea, but it is never worth the mana.

And why not any Traumatize and Tome Scour ?

Duskmantle Guildmage is very fun with Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker and Consuming Aberration ;)

Also Strionic Resonator could maybe help Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker and Consuming Aberration . It can also double the damage given with Duskmantle Guildmage 's second ability ;)

If you want you can check out my mill deck ;)

Dimir Mill - I'm kind of new on this webside though ;)

Hey, yeah i've taken out the Grisly Spectacle but put in a few Ultimate Price to keep removal up. I don't think just 5 mill is worth a card, and later on Tome Scour is a useless draw when I need removal or a win-con. I also don't think i'd have the mana spare for guildmage abilities, but I may be wrong as i've not played with it. Traumatize could be good though.
Thanks

4 tome scour, 4 mind sculpt, 1 curse of the bloody tome, 4 mind grind, 1 traumatize, 4 dream twist, 2 consuming aberration, Drop the mirko vosk',Add a nemesis of reason, Drop ashiok and replace with another jace memory adept, 4 wight of precinct six, Grisly spectacle is a great card and in my opinion worth the mana, a little creature removal as well as millingDrop all counter spellsHappy milling :)

why not Nighthowler ? I would run Traumatize in place of Mind Grind , because they could hit lands fast then you paid that mana for a Tome Scour practically. Pilfered Plans I feel is better than Read the Bones and Underworld Connections just because you have no life gain in this deck..

I like Mind Grind because of its KO ability later on (at like 10+ land in play), since Traumatize gets weaker as the game goes on, but I'm considering putting Traumatize in aswell, not sure.

Since theres only 5 creatures in this deck, Nighthowler is just a Wight of Precinct Six for one more mana, since I wont have creatures in my graveyard, and I dont have anything to bestow onto.

Pilfered Plans is an option, and I've got the cards to add, I just like potentially digging through the top 4 cards with Read the Bones and I've yet to lose a game where the extra 2 life would have saved me.

Thanks for the suggestions though, I will probably add Traumatize

For more of a creature base Nightveil Specter is great for snatching up your opponents cards in tandem with Ashiok, he also provides options when milling slows. Also with Lazav, Dimir Mastermind he can provide support to the milling. These might be better alternatives to the removal, Fiendslayer Paladin comes to mind as a card that would be hard to deal with in standard right now. Also Breaking / Entering is as close as we are going to get to Glimpse the Unthinkable right now. Death's Approach is great too it kills indestructible creatures and is cheap.

On another note Dimir mill in my opinion is by far different than just a mono blue mill deck. Even though milling out you opponent is a viable strategy it shouldn't be the only focus. Think about dimir mill as acting like a parasite. Stealing all the powerful options your opponent has while maximizing your own.

Soul Ransom Provides your opponent options but usually works out well in the side board.

Woodlot Crawler is great sideboard material against jund/golgari/green devoition.

Yeah, I really like the take you have on this, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind is a card I've looked at for a while, and I really would love to add him.

I just feel that Nightveil Specter would cause me to make bad decisions, as unlike Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver i'd have to choose between spending my mana on their spell, or keeping up land for my counters/removal. Ashiok lets you have both, taking their creatures whilst always having land up. I suppose Nightveil does come as a nice blocker too, and can take land... I'm torn.

I used to run Woodlot Crawler in the sideboard, might try to squeeze it back in again.

Breaking / Entering seems to be a must in mill deck, don't know why i don't have it in already.

Not wanting to spend the money on Hero's Downfall this deck does have a weakness dealing with planeswalkers, so a larger creature base would help with that.

Thanks for you're help!

Needs some way to give your beatstick evasion (Rogue's Passage works well, even though it's pricey to activate, it works out better than Aqueous Form since that's a dead draw if you don't have a creature in play/hand, and you'll only be attacking a couple of times, so the Scry part isn't so desirable). I run a more creature heavy mill deck, and it does win me enough games to keep it.

Yeah, that's a really good idea, thanks.

I was looking at Aqueous Form but saw the same thing as you, that it can be a dead draw.

Part of me wants to try a creature heavy, but I don't have the money to revamp this one atm. I'm thinking at least Duskmantle Guildmage or Lazav, Dimir Mastermind just to add a few more.

Well Nightveil Specter can be used to attack planeswalkers and helps with board control. I will get back to you on other suggestions +1

I like the Duskmantle Guildmage . While his ability isn't as mana efficient as I would like (it'd be OP otherwise), he's still a 2/2 for a 2 CMC creature with no draw backs, something that can be hard to find in either black or blue. Makes him decent early game as a blocker (or to hit for a few points here and there, should the field be relatively empty). His ability will draw a fair bit of hate, but that isn't bad, since that's removal that isn't going to go to hit Consuming Aberration . In the end, I rule him nice, but not necessary. He'll win a few games here and there, and occasionally tease out a Thoughtseize or Hero's Downfall from your opponent. At the same time, he'll get hit with a lot of Magma Jet 's, which are pretty much dead draws for them against mill anyway ("Oh, you Scried? Good for you. It ain't gonna be there when you draw anyway.")

Lazav, Dimir Mastermind is meta dependent. He's a 3/3 hexproof for 4, which is nice, but I run 8 dual lands (4 scry and 4 shock), and still don't have the mana consistently to cast him on turn 4 (sometimes even 5). If the meta you're looking at doesn't run a lot of decks with impressive creatures for you to copy, he'll just sit there and be mediocre. In the end, Meta Dependent that will either kick backside, or you'll regret ever spending a penny on him.

There is one creature who has taken up residence in my side board that might be of interest. Notion Thief . Counter control master. Combined with Dimir Charm , he will stall out any control deck's hand for at least a few turns. Dimir Charm gives you control over their turn draw, and he will prevent any extra draws that they try to take.

Just managed to get myself 4 Hero's Downfall really cheap on eBay, so thats my answer to Planeswalkers in the bag.

Also gonna get myself 4 Duskmantle Guildmage , 2 Lazav, Dimir Mastermind (may end up being a sideboard card), 2 Traumatize and some Rogue's Passage (how many do you think for the mainboard?), plus 2 Notion Thief for the sideboard.

Thanks for all the amazing suggestions guys.

I wouldn't do more than 2 Rogue's Passage , both main deck. To me, it's more of a "F-U!" card to be held until the turn it's used, but can be dropped early for mana production if needed. With a drawing method (whether Read the Bones or Pilfered Plans ) you'll see it more often than not (I run 2 main deck with 4 pilfered plans, and I typically get it by turn 6).

Books to Tombs (U/B Mill) - What I run, in case you're curious.

Yeah, sounds good with just 2 Rogue's Passage . And i will be changing to Pilfered Plans probably,to avoid too much life loss.

I really could do with some Watery Grave or more Temple of Deceit if i want to be running Lazav, Dimir Mastermind , but this'll have to do.

Looks alot like my deck maybe we could combine forces and make a great control mill deck. 4 jaces is a must though.

Do you have your deck listed on here so I can take a look?

Yeah I know Jace, Architect of Thought is easily good enough to want 4, but i can only afford the 2 atm.

yup here it is Dimir Mill / Control i was talking about Jace, Memory Adept if you want to focus more on mill

Really? You think 4 Memory adept? I really don't think you want to be drawing multiples of him, unlike Architect. Perhaps 2, or 3 if pushing it.

you dont want to but he is the best mill card right now and he has been working for me as a 4 of

True, he is fairly irregular to draw as a 1 of, so maybe if i can find a trade for one, or see what price i can get him for.

Comments Cleared, click "Couple of tweaks Jan. 5, 2014" above to see old discussion.

Why not add Hands of Binding in for something keeping your opponents creatures tapped down seems like it would go in quit well for this deck

Mine is also control and Mill Dimir 4ever Control & Mill

Yeah, we have the same idea. You have slightly more Mill, and I have slightly more kill-spells and counters.

I own a few Codex Shredder , and I see you run all 4. Does that work out well? I'm curious to know if they do the job, if so I may add a couple.