Mauler Sleeperhold

Standard* Nigeltastic

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Nigeltastic says... #1

Spootyone -- here's the brew I'm working on. Any feedback you have would be sweet.

September 10, 2014 12:24 a.m.

Is Despise over Thoughtseize a budget issue or no?

September 19, 2014 12:44 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #3

A little bit, but the deck also doesn't care that much about non-creature non-planeswalker spells, at least that I've seen so far. Most other types aren't going to be as important to rip from hands, as this deck plays very few permanents. Obviously Thoughtseize is more flexible, but the lifeloss can be relevant and I'm not ready to drop $70 for a playset yet.

September 19, 2014 12:50 p.m.

That's completely reasonable, but makes me wonder if the discard is even worth it in the deck. Perhaps you'd be better off playing like Divination or something over it. Or cutting like those and two Negate for a Treasure Cruise, a few Kioras or Ashioks (Ashiok seems good with the deck theme) and maybe some way to clear a board of a swarm of little guys for cheap, like perhaps Drown in Sorrow? Just my thoughts. Like the deck Idea though.

September 19, 2014 1:01 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #5

I am definitely considering swapping that slot around, and Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is a card I'm looking at for sure. Your suggestions are good, and I'll consider all of those for that slot for sure, thanks for the feedback!

September 19, 2014 1:05 p.m.

Th4natos says... #6

Where are your win conditions?

September 19, 2014 6:21 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #7

Th4natos -- Safe and sound inside my opponent's deck! Villainous Wealth will either pull out win cons for me, or eventually mill them out, as I keep recycling it with Bow of Nylea

September 19, 2014 6:30 p.m.

KBar says... #8

This is awsome. Love the idea Villainous Wealth is my new Reap Intellect . +1

September 21, 2014 10:51 p.m.

GhostChieftain says... #9

I really want to see Villainous Wealth in a "mono-green" devotion deck. With this being the only non green card and all of the ramp possible (using carayatids and possibly a couple sultai lands to be able to cast it) you could grab so much of their deck in one go. It would be ridiculous

September 23, 2014 12:22 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #10

Yes, it's terrifying any time X=7+, so a deck ramping directly into that would be scary.

September 23, 2014 12:46 p.m.

Hickorysbane says... #11

What about a singleton Empty the Pits as another win-con?

September 23, 2014 6:58 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #12

PrecintSix6Six -- I'm definitely at least putting 1-2 in my sideboard to switch gears (especially vs. other control decks that Villainous Wealth is worse against), but I think main board I want to keep as dense on answers as possible (although that may change). It's still a good suggestion, and I appreciate it!

September 23, 2014 7:24 p.m.

I would include 4x Llanowar Wastes over 4 of the basics. Do you find 14 taplands to be a little to slow?

September 24, 2014 7:36 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #14

Gorgosaurusrex -- 14 taplands is slow, but the deck can afford to be a bit slow usually, from what I've found. Once it settles into the saddle, it is very dominant, even if it hurts a bit before settling in. If I go down on any, I will likely cut 2x Opulent Palace .


I have steered clear of Llanowar Wastes so far due to the fact that this deck often times stabilizes at a very low life total, and I am worried about the pain costing me too much and also running into a situation late game where I have mana I can't use without dying or putting myself too low. For now, I'm steering clear of them, but if I find myself running into speed issues and desperately need the fixing, that's where I'll turn. Thanks for the suggestion!

September 24, 2014 7:51 p.m.

Sloanan says... #15

What are your thoughts on putting Kruphix, God of Horizons in there? He's a little expensive, sure, but if he's out soon enough, you can just ramp up your excess mana turn after turn until casting a super X-ed out Empty the Pits or Villainous Wealth . Plus the hand size has no max, though that's secondary to the mana-storing you get.

September 26, 2014 10:47 a.m.

LMCDaSniper says... #16

Alongside the Villainous Wealth I would also run a more reliable win con as what happens when you face another deck like this. I would recommend Garruk, Apex Predator or Nissa, Worldwaker as they both are pretty reliable.

September 26, 2014 11:51 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #17

Sloanan -- While that is fun, the deck should be able to sustain on controlling everything until I am able to cast Villainous Wealth naturally for X = 7+, and taking that big tempo hit on turn 5 to play out Kruphix, God of Horizons when he doesn't directly benefit me for a long time isn't really where I want to go with this.


LMCDaSniper -- Running into another version of a deck like this is very problematic for Game 1, but it's not actually unreasonable to mill someone out with a combination of Dictate of Kruphix and Villainous Wealth . Game 2 and 3 I should be able to switch to Empty the Pits to solve that problem. If I find myself falling short too often, Garruk, Apex Predator is definitely the man I'm going to first.

September 27, 2014 12:17 a.m.

derecksisco says... #18

I've been play testing with a Villainous Wealth deck as well, and one of the interactions I've enjoyed is Kruphix, God of Horizons for storing up mana for giant wealths, as well as Prophet of Kruphix to help store up mana as well as to help leave open mana for counter spells

September 28, 2014 4:04 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #19

derecksisco -- That is certainly a good way to play if the deck's main focus is Villainous Wealth , and will be powerful, but this deck is primarily about viciously controlling the opponent and then using Villainous Wealth when convenient to swing the board state around.

September 28, 2014 4:35 p.m.

SSJRanulf says... #20

Sideboard needs a back-up win condition for Stain the Mind, which has been showing up in some sideboards.

+1

September 29, 2014 12:45 p.m.

Nigeltastic says... #21

SSJRanulf -- Thanks for the heads up, I need to look at more decklists to see what the meta answers are. I'm considering replacing Phyrexian Revoker with Garruk, Apex Predator in the board anyway, and that might push me more in that direction.

September 29, 2014 2:42 p.m.

DaigarStrasis says... #22

Hey luther I made one, I have it all. my wealths didnt come in the mail yet but I got them proxied for this upcoming FNM. Here it is: Villainous Wealth

September 29, 2014 3 p.m.

Rayenous says... #23

Your Achievement "Your own medicine" does not work.

With Villainous Wealth , you cast all the spells you exiled at the same time (as Villainous Wealth resolves), putting them on the stack in the order you would like. Then they resolve, one at a time, in the order they are on the stack.

Since Scuttling Doom Engine is not on the Battlefield (has not resolved), it cannot be the target of any Shrapnel Blast you may have hit with the same Villainous Wealth .

October 1, 2014 7:37 a.m.

Nigeltastic says... #24

Rayenous -- Since I can order things as I please, I simply need to put Scuttling Doom Engine on the stack after Shrapnel Blast , which means it will resolve first (Last In First Out order and all). Then it resolves, enters the battlefield, and becomes a legal target for Shrapnel Blast .

October 1, 2014 9:05 a.m.

Rayenous says... #25

You are forgetting that regardless of when you cast it or what the order of the stack is, you must have a legal target for the spell at the time of casting.

Shrapnel Blast needs a target at the time you cast it. - It cannot target a spell.
As Scuttling Doom Engine is still a spell on the stack when you cast Shrapnel Blast it cannot be the target.

October 1, 2014 9:28 a.m.

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