Win? I Just Want to Ultimate! (Liliana, Hereti...)

Commander / EDH MagicalHacker

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MagicalHacker says... #2

July 19, 2015 10:49 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #3

Actually, Helm of Possession rather than Phyrexian Arena, cause I need at least some "tuck", and... also budget reasons... heh...

July 19, 2015 2:14 p.m.

CuteSnail says... #4

Instead of listing specific cards, I'll link you to my deck, 4 months in the process. Lili's Revelation.

I'm amused at how the tables have turned. Normally you're linking your deck...

August 4, 2015 9:37 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #5

I'm usually linking my decks to illustrate the best linear strategy, but it's usually not the most fun. With this deck, I'm trying to capitalize on a discard theme by reanimating opponents' creatures and... I saw nothing in your deck that helps me do that (at least in a way that lets me get creatures repeatedly).

I did however see one card I VERY much like from your deck: Mutilate. Can't believe I missed that card xD

Thanks for the comment, and looking through your deck, why not go for a specific theme rather than a generalized mono black good stuff deck? :)

August 4, 2015 12:26 p.m. Edited.

SirFowler says... #6

You're missing one of the best mass reanimate spells, Rise of the Dark Realms. It is amazing in a deck like this because you can bring all of the opponent's creatures back. Also, one of my favorite tutors is Diabolic Revelation because it can be amazing when used with Cabal Coffers. I'm also surprised you don't have Sidisi, Undead Vizier in here. It triggers more than one ability while giving you something in the process.

August 6, 2015 12:07 a.m.

Remyth says... #7

Personally, I love Infernal Offering.

August 6, 2015 12:11 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #8

SirFowler, I'm so scared to use Rise of the Dark Realms because of stuff like Memory Plunder, Insurrection, Gather Specimens, etc. It's a powerful card, but also easily abused by other people, so that and the fact that its a 10-drop in a deck that doesn't curve too high is why I have been avoiding it for so long. Thoughts?

As for Diabolic Revelation, I think it's also too expensive, but it might just be me... Thoughts?

Sidisi, Undead Vizier seems a bit pricy, but with the fact that Lili can grab him back, or the majority of my reanimate cards can, it seems pretty good. I'll think about her some more.

Remyth I don't really have that many creatures worth reanimating in the deck, so that one wouldn't really do anything beneficial for this deck.

August 6, 2015 12:20 a.m.

CuteSnail says... #9

Lili can't reanimate Sidisi. She says nonlegendary.

August 6, 2015 12:25 a.m.

nayrash5 says... #10

Reanimate is the black bribery, and it costs four less mana to use, it probably belongs in every EDH deck with black. Sheoldred, Whispering One edicts them on their upkeep, and brings one of your guys each turn. Skullclamp is banana's with Bloodghast. Grave Betrayal returns their guys after a wrath, and makes them stronger.

August 6, 2015 12:26 a.m. Edited.

SirFowler says... #12

It may be expensive, but the revelation can be useful to grab the right combo pieces in one shot. As for the Sidisi, I understand. I use her as my commander, which is an amazing commander because she can even sacrifice herself if needed. And lastly, the RotDR gets by more than you might think. Your play group might be different however, so I can't say what's the best for you.

August 6, 2015 12:33 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #13

-x-Juuzou-x-x-, Damn it, and this is the second time I forgot about that! But now that I think about it, I can always use it to get Coffin Queen or Chainer, Dementia Master first, then reanimate it to get more cards... hmmm!

nayrash5, Reanimate and Animate Dead would probably be the first nonrepeatable reanimate cards I'd add into the deck if I felt that they would help me out in the deck. What do you think of them?

Sheoldred, Whispering One is just too expensive. The only 7-drop I have in the deck is Necromantic Selection, but that's because it functions as a board wipe and a wincon all in one.

As for the other two, I don't really have any other combos for them other than what you mentioned, and theres just too little of a chance for that interaction to occur.


To sum it up, cards I'm thinking about:

Good additions? If so, what should I take out?

August 6, 2015 12:35 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #14

SirFowler, idk man, I just feel like any card that costs 7 mana has to do a lot of things for me, and tutoring for two cards just doesn't seem that great in a deck with no infinite combos.

Sidisi, Undead Vizier is something I have very mixed feelings about. Yes, she synergizes nicely, but at the same time, she costs 5 mana for a tutor :(

My playgroup for this deck is the collection of random players on Magic Online, which means I probably don't have to worry about anyone specifically building their deck around the knowledge that I have Rise in it, but I think the mana cost is just going to seal in the deal that I don't like it very much. What about Grimoire of the Dead instead? Is it a good card or not even close?

August 6, 2015 12:40 a.m.

SirFowler says... #15

Dread Return is amazing because it's basically a free return for creatures.

You should check out my deck for more of the kind of stuff you're looking for.

August 6, 2015 12:41 a.m.

nayrash5 says... #16

Well, Death Cultist is a little weak, even if you sac him five times that's only a ten life swing in a format with ample life. Mind Stone is OK, but you have so much superior draw that it's somewhat unnecessary, and it isn't even all that efficient of a Mana Rock, IMO.

August 6, 2015 12:41 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #17

SirFowler, but there aren't really that many creatures I want to reanimate from my own deck anyways. But I'll check out your deck!

nayrash5, Death Cultist and the other 1- or 2-drop sac outlets are just so that Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip can flip immediately on turn 3 (sac those dudes after she enters) and also provide a nice buffer of cards I can discard without any worries. A couple of other creatures are the X-drops which do the same thing, but I just cast for X=0 after Lili.

Mind Stone would be replaced by a swamp if I took it out, and it seems better than one to me since it just takes the place of a land until I've become mana flooded, and then it turns into a card in hand. :D

August 6, 2015 12:44 a.m. Edited.

nayrash5 says... #18

Wait, is there no Vampiric Tutor in here?

August 6, 2015 12:45 a.m. Edited.

SirFowler says... #19

The Grimoire is definitely nice. I'll have to explain, I am a budget Johnny style player, so I like to play the stuff that isn't normally played. When it does work though, it's just funny to see their faces.

August 6, 2015 12:47 a.m.

nayrash5 says... #20

I'm not sure all the one-shot discard spells are needed, with so many repeatable ones, and Tasigur's Cruelty and Delirium Skeins are only both 'Meh' anyway.

August 6, 2015 12:49 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #21

nayrash5, I've never liked it because the whole advantage of it costing only 1 mana goes to waste since you can't cast your tutored-for card until the next turn. Plus in a deck like this, I can't afford to run any cards that are straight up card disadvantage. :/

Also, I can take out Tasigur's Cruelty and Unnerve for sure! I never liked either of them myself to be honest.

SirFowler, it's definitely harder to abuse as an opponent, but a simple artifact removal means it is just card disadvantage, which I'm not a huge fan of lol

August 6, 2015 12:52 a.m. Edited.

SirFowler says... #22

Throat Slitter is amazing for this type of deck. Also you could add in Okiba-Gang Shinobi for a discard effect. And finally Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni for and grave robbing effect.

August 6, 2015 1:01 a.m.

nayrash5 says... #23

Hooray, I'm useful! :D

August 6, 2015 1:04 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #24

SirFowler Idk if ninjutsu helps this deck that much, but I do already have Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni.

nayrash5, lol yes you did! Everyone has helped me come to this decision :)

August 6, 2015 9:41 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #25

Actually I rethought my changes and I'll be removing Hypnotic Specter and Words of Waste instead of Tasigur's Cruelty and Unnerve.

August 6, 2015 9:50 a.m.

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