Mikaeus, Extreme Sub $20 Budget EDH
Commander / EDH
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But in order to reanimate Necrotic Ooze you would need to have Mikaeus out correct? Regardless that is badass. Thanks for the explanation
May 7, 2016 7:59 a.m.
DasTree: No, in fact you DON'T want to have Mikaeus in play, since he makes Necrotic Ooze a 5/4 which means you can only exile cards with a CMC of 1 and 2. Winning is really hard then, you could at most kill one player.
May 7, 2016 11:19 a.m.
chosenone124 says... #4
In this deck, if Mikaeus is out, you wouldn't need Devourer. Just Triskelion and a sac outlet in graveyard.
Sacrifice itself
It reanimates itself with a +1/+1
Use Triskelion's effect to ping someone and remove the counter
Sacrifice itself.
If you use Zulpaport or Blood Artist, you can use a random guy with a +1 remover instead of Triskelion
May 7, 2016 4:44 p.m. Edited.
Question, why is everyone still running Blood Artist when there is Zulaport Cutthroat? it costs the same and is a 1/1 instead of a 0/1.
May 7, 2016 4:45 p.m.
chosenone124 says... #6
Blood Artist triggers on the opponent's creature death.
Zulpaport Cutthroat is a human. Does not gain undying. I would suggest you run both if your budget allows it, because they open up several win conditions
May 7, 2016 4:47 p.m.
then I guess I'm confused with the Necrotic Ooze combo. How does it get regeneration? I could add it in and it would make use another win con.
1 thing I have been thinking over the past few months or so since I have read, reread, and copied this deck; (+1 every time i see it pop up)How can WOC come up with deck lists less competitive than this, when this one is half of the going rate? They have access to a plethora of cards. Some of which only some of us dream about.
May 7, 2016 5:51 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #8
Uh, Phyrexian Devourer's ability that causes it to be sacrificed is a triggered ability, which is not copied by Necrotic Ooze.
May 7, 2016 6:10 p.m.
No, the sacrifice portion of the ability is also copied, which is why you have to be very careful in how you add and remove counters. Basically any card you exile for the Devourer ability that brings Ooze's power over 7, you let get "stuck" in the stack, you only let cards that keep it at 6 power or less resolve.
May 7, 2016 6:31 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117: It's both a triggered ability AND part of the activated ability (read the last line).
May 7, 2016 6:55 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #11
"When Phyrexian Devourer's power is 7 or greater, sacrifice it.
Exile the top card of your library: Put X +1/+1 counters on Phyrexian Devourer, where X is the exiled card's converted mana cost." -Oracle text on Phyrexian Devourer.
Necrotic Ooze only copies the activated abilities of creatures, not their triggered abilities, which is what the first is. The Ooze can get as big as you want it before you start removing counters for damage from Triskelion's activated ability.
May 7, 2016 6:55 p.m.
You left out the last part of the ability, which is a very important condition:
"When Phyrexian Devourer's power is 7 or greater, sacrifice it.
Remove the top card of your library from the game: Put X +1/+1 counters on Phyrexian Devourer, where X is the removed card's converted mana cost. If Phyrexian Devourer's power is 7 or greater, sacrifice it."
The sacrifice condition is repeated in the card's latest printing, probably to emphasize this very point. So Ooze, like Devourer, cannot go beyond 6 power or it must be sac'ed.
May 7, 2016 7:10 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #13
No, I didn't. I copied the oracle text from Gatherer. You can even see it here.
May 7, 2016 7:17 p.m.
FU errata...FU...
I've been limiting myself for so long...rofl. +1 and a tip of the hat to you ItchiUchiha117.
May 7, 2016 7:30 p.m.
chosenone124 says... #15
At any rate, you can run Necrotic Ooze in this deck without the devourer portion, since it can serve as an infinite sac outlet and/or an infinite sac fodder and/or a stand-in for Triskelion in your graveyard
May 7, 2016 7:52 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117: Damn, it seems like this was a relatively recent change, because I remember checking the oracle for this a few years ago and even checking up on judge rulings where the oracle text included the sacrifice clause in the activated ability.
Heck, I'm even looking at some judge rulings right now where they say that you will have to sacrifice it (Posts from 2011).
But looking at the oracle text now, the clause is gone! Awesome!
May 7, 2016 8:29 p.m.
So I'm still missing something. How do get Necrotic Ooze out of the grave yard. It doesn't have undying. And this is with Mikaeus NOT in play. So I use Buried Alive get Triskelion, Phyrexian Devourer and Necrotic Ooze. All three are now in the graveyard. How do I pull Necrotic Ooze from the grave yard? None of the cards sent there have undying. Seems there would need to be another card needed for the combo or Mikaeus on the battlefield. And then wouldn't the ooze have summoning sickness? so you couldn't use Phyrexian Devourer's abilities until the next turn? Activated abilities are different from card types so it wouldn't be an artifact. Just trying to get all the in's and out's of this. Thank you for the help.
May 8, 2016 10:29 a.m.
chosenone124 says... #18
Summoning sickness doesn't prevent the use of activated abilities. It prevents you from tapping it
May 8, 2016 2:59 p.m.
Right. I knew that. Brain fart. But how to get him from the graveyard?
May 8, 2016 4:52 p.m.
chosenone124 says... #20
The combo doesn't have innate revival. I assume it wants you to use a generic black revival/recuursion card, or just cast Ooze
May 8, 2016 5:52 p.m.
DasTree: To run this combo, you'd have to run a reanimate spell. It's still a 2 card combo with many available pieces (Buried Alive + Any single creature reanimate spell).
May 8, 2016 10:51 p.m.
Tyrannosary says... #22
I don't want to put a load on you but you're going to need to update your deck description. I noticed there were some cards in the combo section that you were mentioning but when I checked some of the cards weren't in the deck anymore.
May 11, 2016 3:29 p.m.
CaTastrophy427 says... #23
I didn't read all the previous comments, so if some of these have been suggested, well, now you know why. For price, I am going by http://magiccards.info/ low (english) prices. (All prices are in USD[$]) A number of ideas for more cards are:
Value cards: Dictate of Erebos (1.50) Butcher of Malakir (0.19) Kheru Bloodsucker (0.04) Lightning Coils (0.21) Zulaport Cutthroat (0.19)
Sac engines: Consecrated by Blood (0.04) Carnage Altar (0.07) Ashnod's Altar (1.53) Blood Funnel (0.15) Plunge into Darkness (0.40) Sadistic Hypnotist (0.79) Undercity Informer (0.05)
Counter-Removing, -1/-1 Counters, Self Sacrificing (with removal of own counters), etc: Workhorse (0.20) Cinderhaze Wretch (0.05) Grim Poppet (0.36) Puppeteer Clique (0.25) Serrated Biskelion (0.08) Shambling Swarm (0.17)
May 13, 2016 2:41 p.m.
chosenone124 says... #24
Dictate is too expensive. Butcher of Malakir requires an infinite sac outlet, Mikaeus, an infinite sacrifice guy, and his own prodigious mana cost, for a boardwipe (or you can wing it and just force everyone to sac 2 or 4 creatures). Kheru Bloodsucker requires you to pay mana per sacrifice, and few of the sac outlets are high toughness vampires.
Lightning Coils is a good idea, but requires 3 other cards.
Zulaport Cutthroat has been mentioned and discarded. It is a human and requires 3 other cards.
Consecrated by Blood requires two infinite sac outlets. Carnage Altar is a good idea, though Vampiric Rites is superior. Ashnods is too expensive. Blood Funnel is very very risky. Plunge into Darkness requires you to have a massive swarm of creatures for sacrifice. Sadistic Hypnotist is a good idea, but it is too expensive for a 20$ budget :(. Undercity Informer is interesting, while as an infinite sac outlet he is risky, his mill power is also quite potent. He is a human though
Serrated Biskelion doesn't have haste.
May 13, 2016 3:45 p.m.
CaTastrophy427 says... #25
I agree with much of your assessment, with some exceptions: Bloodsucker does not need the sacced thing to be a vampire. Lightning Coils are in there to make a good combo more potent. Ashnod's Altar is (monetarily) kinda on the expensive side, but makes many combos possible sooner, as it is an infinite sac enabler for 3 mana that also produces mana.
Does being a human matter for Undercity Informer? Also, while it isn't an Infinite Sac outlet, it can work to mill out a third of an opponent's deck or more in one turn, if you aren't unlucky enough to hit 6 lands in the top 10 cards or something like that. And even if you do hit a lot of lands, that still may be a good thing as it may make them get mana screwed early game.
GearNoir says... #1
Yea its a pretty slick combo. Just don't do it too late into a long game unless you've been able to reshuffle your graveyard (minus Triskelion and Devourer).
May 7, 2016 12:21 a.m.