Fredword16 says... #2
Ensnaring bridge is a blocker not really ment for offense. Im honestly leaning towards mesmeric Orb. Jace fills possible holes each turn as well. Jace serves more purpose than you would think.I would maybe consider taking out bridge tbh
August 26, 2016 9:13 p.m.
frogkill45 says... #4
Its your call man test a few different swaps.i dont run bridge i run Crypt Incursion i dont run mesmeric orbs i run Dream Twist. those are the only differences in our decks. im going to test dropping dreamtwist
August 26, 2016 9:41 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #5
How does not running mesmeric orb against leyline of the sancitity handle?
August 26, 2016 10:02 p.m.
I say cut Set Adrift, put Surgical Extraction in the sb, then put in Bitter Ordeal, which should do incredible.
August 27, 2016 2:53 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #8
Thoughts on taking out mesmeric for path to exile then taking out basics for godless shrine and hallowed fountain?
August 28, 2016 3:56 p.m.
I say no The white splash is not worth it. For removal you are running black. Enough said.
August 28, 2016 8:44 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #10
you're right and to answer the problem I was trying fix (burn) I decided on a form of land destruction using evil presence. Still haven't decided if I'm going to keep mesmeric Orb, if I don't I'll put Surgical Extraction back in.
August 28, 2016 8:54 p.m.
Evil presence is also way worse than Spreading Seas. Both suck in this deck but if you want to play one go with spreading seas.
August 30, 2016 12:21 p.m.
I agree with Dude_3. Use Mesmeric Orb instead. And replace Leyline of the Void with Surgical Extraction.
August 30, 2016 12:35 p.m.
frogkill45 says... #14
this is disheartening, since bitter ordeal is such an odd ball card had to look deep for better explanation
702.66a Gravestorm is a triggered ability that functions on the stack. Gravestorm means When you cast this spell, put a copy of it onto the stack for each permanent that was put into a graveyard from the battlefield this turn. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any of the copies. this is sad.
August 30, 2016 3:16 p.m.
frogkill45 says... #15
Heartless Summoning + 2 Myr Retriever = Infinite Mill with Bitter Ordeal
feel bad for the mislead, here is a combo
August 30, 2016 3:26 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #16
Lol ya it's a bummer. I'll be keeping void In though for the counter against emrakul and dredge. Probably put back in Surgical Extraction and mesmeric Orb back in. I was already wondering how hard it would be to pull off a move using bitter ordeal anyways.
August 30, 2016 3:27 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #17
If any of you have any ideas on how to better counter burn I'd love to hear it. Seems to be the thing I have the most trouble with
August 30, 2016 3:28 p.m.
frogkill45 says... #18
Crypt Incursion does help vs burn long as you mill like 5 creatures
Profane Memento this worked well for me when it was in standard
Dragon's Claw is also a good sb card
Flashfreeze always handy aswell
Engineered Explosives boardwipe all the 1 drops
Spellskite eats bolts blocks most red creatures easily
Chalice of the Void for 1 or 2 can wreck them
August 30, 2016 4:08 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #20
I'm thinking about adding profane memento instead of evil presence. Then maybe putting mana leaks or destroy cards instead of bitter ordeal.
August 30, 2016 4:39 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #21
I wonder if thing in the ice would be better than damnations
August 30, 2016 4:41 p.m.
No keep Damnation. Thing is worse. Profane Memento is a worse Crypt Incursion. Isochron Scepter might be fun. Re add the Surgical Extraction.
August 30, 2016 5:49 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #23
Profane memento may be worse, but when I combine both specifically against burn it should balance things better since batterskull or whatever it's called usually counters crypt incursion.
I washould thinking thing might be better because 1.it's a blocker. 2. Should be able to flip at about the same speed. 3. It won't be countered as often as damnation. 4. It's less of a mana strain. 5. With all the cards that allow people to look at hands, if they see or know I run damnation they save a counter. It's too much of a target. 6. Hopefully with them knowing I'm running mill they won't use as many destroy spells.
I tested with isochran sceptor and it does not work in this deck. I mean what am I going to copy Surgical Extraction and Visions? I tried it with a splash of counter and it comes down to is am I going to hold off from milling to counter something I'm not even sure will play? The answer is no I wont.
So atm I'm thinking 3x thing in the ice instead of damnation 3x Surgical Extraction instead of evil presence then maybe either 4x counter or 4x Mesmeric orb
August 30, 2016 6:01 p.m.
Fredword16 says... #24
Then maybe taking my 4x cards in my side down to 3x to add 3x profane memento
August 30, 2016 6:03 p.m.
Profane Memento will not be a good card in this deck, even Tome Scour does better. If anything put it in the sb.
frogkill45 says... #1
probably Jace's Phantasm because you use ensaring bridge
August 26, 2016 8:36 p.m.