I'd recommend Altar of the Brood and Profane Memento. I've run a mill deck with the mementos, and just when they think they've got my life total to within striking distance...Mind Sculpt five or six creatures.
February 22, 2015 7:26 p.m.
I had considered Altar of the Brood and Profane Memento. Altar just won't trigger enough to make worthwhile. But I do believe that the Profane Memento along with a couple Mind Sculpt could be absolutely awesome when matched against an aggro deck.
So it is a sideboard potential, but not in yet as it is only good against creature-heavy decks and my meta doesn't have a lot of those.
February 22, 2015 7:59 p.m.
ScaryKoolaide says... #6
Maybe it's just me, but how often does Ugin get played in a situation he isn't already just "win-more"? Your deck seems designed around having a lot of effective, low cmc defnders and cards like Ashiok that his -X feels kind of sketchy for you to use, and his + isn't going to be doing much other than maybe cleaning the board up a bit and going towards ultimate. But I guess for me the question is, how many games do you hit 8 mana and Ugin that the game isn't already basically a lock?
Also, what does Taigam's Scheming do for your deck other than card selection coupled with card disadvantage and to fuel the 1-of Dig? It feels like it's just a filler card that's out of place. It feels like you'd be better off with either an extra read the bones or move a sideboard card into the main and add that Profane Memento you're talking about into the SB with the freed up spot vs agro (though I really don't think Profane Memento is currently well situated. The aggro decks you'd typically want to side it in against tend to be burn or token based and memento won't help much there. It feels like maybe it'd be against Junk mid-range I guess?)
February 23, 2015 10:01 a.m.
@ScaryKoolaide: Regarding Ugin, I honestly wouldn't know how often he's effective because I pulled him in a pack I bought on Friday and put him in the deck afterwards, so I haven't actually used him yet. My thinking is thus - as this is a control deck getting 8 lands on the board typically happened every game but I didn't always have my phenax/wall combo going. I feel it is a good idea to have an alternate win condition in a long-game plan, and considered Pearl Lake Ancient until I pulled the Ugin.
Did you playtest this? I have found the Taigam's Scheming useful every time it came up, but I wouldn't want too much of it in here along with the Read the Bones and Dig Through Time. 1-of just seems to hit exactly as often as I need it (same with the Dig). As it is right now the balance between Scry and Draw feels pretty good when I play it. During the course of a game, getting it once is usually enough to provide me with what I need to pull off a win in the next couple turns. Essentially, however, you are correct - it may be better to add a 3rd Read the Bones or a counterspell or something. Or a 2nd Dig...
Profane Memento we agree on, in the current standard meta it is an "almost but not quite" card. Aggro decks these days have a lot of non-creature cards to trigger prowess or heroic. Definitely still in "consideration only" phase".
Thanks for the input - if you playtested, how did it work?
February 23, 2015 1:48 p.m.
Played a few times and it was sometimes ending up in all walls and maybe some draw. In that case there is no winnable outcome since the presence of phenax is required to win. Its one of those things that's bound to happen but the question is how many times is that going to happen and is it enough to win consistently? I noticed only 3 phenax but 4 ashiok as well. Might want to consider dropping one lilliana for another phenax maybe? Anyways I will play a few more times and see what happens !
+1 for concept !
February 23, 2015 4:55 p.m.
SpatulonMk3 says... #10
Have you considered Ghastly Conscription? For the combo with Phenax, God of Deception?
February 23, 2015 7:50 p.m.
I considered Ghastly Conscription and Fated Return but felt they didn't contribute directly to the deck's purpose. They're too late game, and often won't hit enough to make worthwhile. From what I see while playing, Phenax only needs one or two walls to win, and the triton tactics make it a blowout.
February 24, 2015 1:39 p.m.
wizardofthewest00 says... #12
i love this deck +1!But I playtested and considering that it has got a great defense turn 7 using control cards is amazing.But in these weeks in most of the tournaments lots of players have aggro deck or ramp and in turn 5/6 can swing for win.So i searched and found a card that I love ---> AEtherspouts It's great against Ramp Aggro Combo Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Tokens and so on after you put his cards on the top you destroy them
February 25, 2015 7:53 a.m.
SpatulonMk3 says... #13
Well, I imagine that Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker would be annoying if this weren't STANDARD.
February 25, 2015 3 p.m.
LOLz
Although Goblin Rabblemaster is a biggie in current Standard. And AEtherspouts IS a good idea, I'm just iffy about another 5 CMC. I've been looking at Kiora's Villainous Control Issues by Loco-Motive for control ideas. His deck is "different" sure, but really "control until your win con goes off" is the general idea.
February 25, 2015 3:08 p.m.
The_Dark_Adonis says... #15
I would highly suggest removing the 2 Mana Confluence for 1 each of Bloodstained Mire and Flooded Strand. Not only will each of the lands ping you only once but it thins out the deck so you're more likely to draw what you need.
February 25, 2015 6:47 p.m.
wizardofthewest00 says... #16
While playtesting this deck I'd really like to have in my hand a Refocus: 1 you can untap a phenax with 10 toughness or another scaring fat guy and 2 because in a combo deck drawing is important
February 25, 2015 8:22 p.m.
ScaryKoolaide says... #17
@omnipath : I haven't playtested it, no, just theory. If Taigam's is working out for you that's great, I just thought both it and the Ugin seemed out of place. For me I figured if you were alive the turn you had both (8) in play and Ugin in hand it means you have a stabilized board presence as there are few decks in the meta that wouldn't have severely punished a turn 8+ PW that has no stabilization. It just feels like often he'd just be a dead draw. Similarly, if life is an issue, it almost feels like Taigam's should just be Divination or something. Taigam's just feels awkward to me in anything but a dedicated self-mill deck, but like I said if it's working for you that's great.
In looking at the list again, I'm a little surprised you have Mana Confluences in the deck. Someone else mentioned just putting in fetches, but I'd almost cut them in favor or 2x Island and cut 2x Swamp in favor of 2x Urborg. Urborg is going to give you painless fixing and defensive control decks want to keep their life totals as high as possible. For that reason, maybe even adding Radiant Fountains would be an idea or even Dismal Backwaters.
Finally, wizardofthewest00 might be onto something with Refocus. That card could do some work for serving as something like a copy of Mindsculpt that also cantrips in some situations, or even surprise block + cantrip + mill; though Tactics is just better for almost all those situations, so if you aren't dying for something like that I could see it not finding room in the 75.
February 26, 2015 1:35 p.m.
@ScaryKoolaide You must have been writing just as I was updating! Thanks for the input - I did decide to drop that Taigam's Scheming. The argument against was stronger. Also Ugin, the Spirit Dragon has been moved to SB because ... yeah.
Regarding the lands, I have the confluences in because I absolutely HATE getting colour screwed. It happens too often and just pisses me off. I'll consider your suggestion of urborg (i'm glad the price is so low on that one), and/or Dismal Backwater (i don't like taplands though so we'll see). I will try out your suggestion.
As for Refocus I like the concept BUT I feel with my shift towards a more controlly mainboard it would be a dead card for too long. Even the 3-of Triton Tactics may come down to 2-of, because I find they sit in my hand for a long time before being useful. ... but when they're finally useful, they're game-enders.
Thanks for the feedback & the +1 !!
February 26, 2015 1:48 p.m.
Chase_M155 says... #19
how is this my defense? i mean i know my last name is miller but come on if i wanted to defend id play u/w control.
February 27, 2015 2:31 p.m.
wizardofthewest00 says... #21
See new cards that are good in this deck1--> Siren of the Silent Song for disacrding and milling 2--> Aerie Worshippers for his 4 toughness and with Triton Tactics and lots of mana is very good in long matches and in a defender deck i think they're usual
February 27, 2015 7:51 p.m.
Check my deck! Grave s now your deck zoneI played a lot with it and having 4 phenax is really important.wall of frost is the best wall, I recomend 4 of them, in place of Dragon's eye Savants. I used a green splash.
March 1, 2015 9:30 p.m.
I was going to take similar deck.Put Dragon Throne of Tarkir in.
March 2, 2015 8:30 p.m.
i would suggest dropping siege for Dictate of Kruphix bc it lets you keep the additional card and helps thin out your opponents deck. just a thought.
also dropping Monastery Flock for Master of the Feast will give you a 4 turn clock on your opponent and thin your opponents deck down and give a nice mill plus it can kill what it blocks
shepherdofire says... #1
you're welcome!
February 22, 2015 6 p.m.