loserofthegame says... #2
I notice mana leak in the sideboard, too bad mana leak isnt standard ._. other than that i like the deck.
April 2, 2014 3:21 p.m.
maybe Maze's End as an alternate wincon? also I have a similar deck where I run Axebane Guardian to ramp into a huge Mind Grind (I've milled for over 30 lands on turn 6). so you might want to consider running at least a couple mind grinds. Also if you have Hold the Gates the Prophet doesn't do much.
April 2, 2014 3:22 p.m.
Neat idea. I would suggest Hover Barrier over Beck / Call . I would also try making room for Mind Grind to utilize the crazy amount of mana you will be generating.
April 2, 2014 3:23 p.m.
Mana Leak is not standard legal anymore. I foresee problem vsblack since you don't have much removal and you need to get rid of Pack Rat , Lifebane Zombie and Desecration Demon . Since im guessing you dont want board wipe to kill your own dude maybe Spear of Heliod ?
April 2, 2014 4:18 p.m.
Thank you the first comments!
Maze's End is a card I tried in this deck, but I didn't like it. It feels to me like I want a dedicated turbo-fog/ 5C control deck to make it work properly. I'll play around with 2 Mind Grind . I like it as a mill finisher, and most of the time, mana isn't an issue. I'm only ashamed I didn't think to put it in sooner. Jace, Architect of Thought is another novel suggestion, however I don't know if he'll work. His +1 does absolutely nothing here, but the card advantage he generates is pretty immense. The reason anime Jace is here is extra milling power in the face of heavy board-wipes. However, it'll be worth a test.
Hover Barrier is also an interesting thought. I'd lose the draw power of Beckcall but that's a pretty big butt early game. Maybe a 2/2 split?
Also, the deck went 2-1 at an FNM not too long ago, losing only to a Simic beatdown, which used Elusive Krasis to completely ignore my phat walls, and used Simic Charm to nullify both my Detention Sphere s. You can't win them all, I guess. For now, I test. Thanks to everyone!
April 2, 2014 6:01 p.m.
Tower Defense and Triton Tactics would both be great for this deck, still block fliers. If I had money for Phenax I build this. +1
May 28, 2014 12:24 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #8
not sure if there's room for it, but Arbiter of the Ideal
is a big fan of phenax based decks.
June 5, 2014 1:28 p.m.
RabidCatigi says... #9
Since you're doing defenders with mill Doorkeeper would be great :D
June 8, 2014 11:32 a.m.
Arbiter of the Ideal would be a hit or miss card. The six-mana slot is taken by Elspeth and Call , and board-wipes prevent me from hitting either of those reliably. Doorkeeper might make the big mill finish easier to complete, but I'd rather not add another creature-dependent creature. Thank you for taking the time to comment!
June 9, 2014 4:54 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #11
you could drop beck down to a 2-of and go for 2-of arbiters. They give you some presence in case phenax is missing, and they will be hit or miss each turn, you have 46 enablers (going to 48 if you make the change as I'm thinking would work) which is quite enough to make it useful. even if you're not hitting /good/ creatures with it, you're getting card advantage.
June 9, 2014 9:03 p.m.
Well, it's partially my fault for not changing the description, but Call is already a 2-of. What this deck really wants is a Wall of Denial or Fog Bank -style flying fatty. I did some testing with Arbiter, and he did push some dorks out, but he was extremely fragile. As I write this, Prognostic Sphinx comes to mind. He has the same stats, digs for win-cons, is removal-proof, AND he's a mana cheaper. Since you're the only person actively commenting (thank you!), what do you think about mustache sphinx?
June 9, 2014 11:17 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #13
I think prognostic might be better for you, the scry seems really relevant, right now you have 3 phenax with 9 ways to either dig or scry, so getting more would be good.
also the jace in your description and the one in your deck are listed differently, you list memory adept in one of your first few paragraphs.
and if you have room somewhere, a fourth Gatecreeper Vine in main or side would be good if you need to switch to maze's end at any point
June 9, 2014 11:42 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #14
oh I was looking and one other thought, Aegis of the Gods is in your sideboard, if he's there to be vs burn, Nyx-Fleece Ram does a much better job. a one-toughness dude is really easy for burn to handle. the 5 toughness that keeps you alive will be better, and fit your mill much better. if it's for something else (like to fight mill) aegis should be fine.
June 9, 2014 11:43 p.m.
I just fixed the description. Aegis of the Gods is mostly for discard strategies and Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver . I don't like the Maze's End sideboard; it's too narrow for what it intends to do. Nyx-Fleece Ram is spectacular. I've thought about Archetype of Endurance for targeted removal, and eight mana is not too much for me to produce. What are your thoughts versus W/U/x control?
June 10, 2014 12:18 a.m.
asasinater13 says... #16
Mutavault
likes to disrupt control decks. AEtherling
could also be fun, I could see one-of mainboarded for aetherling even, as an alt win-con. could outdo one of your elspeths.
to keepw ith milling and vs U/W/x control, something to save you from a board wipe. if you can't survive that (which you'll do pretty poorly after one hits) you can't really do much vs U/W/x. Rise of the Dark Realms
is cute, but getting the mana post wipe would be difficult. Ajani's Presence
is a solid solution, and very doable with Axebane Guardian
. there's the ravnica block 3 cmc white that gives indestructible to your creatures I can't remember the name of. running Syncopate
could be helpful, either sideboard or main, easily able to out-mana people, again, Axebane Guardian
is fun. while on the subject of our mana excess, why not run a Silence the Believers
or two, that'll basically board wipe once you have your defenders hanging out, and it exiles away any active gods for you as well.
June 10, 2014 12:28 a.m.
I think tomorrow I'll have another go at the sideboard here. Syncopate makes sense, and Rise of the Dark Realms may make an interesting 1-of in the sideboard for non-blue control. Swapping an Elspeth for AEtherling is highly doable, and I think it's a good plan. As for good ol' Mutavault , I'd have to see it in action. The deck isn't extremely color-heavy, and having the option to go for life wouldn't be bad. For now, I rest; tomorrow, I test.
almerican says... #1
I like the list the onlysuggestion id offer is Jace, Architect of Thought over Memory Adept for the slowing of aggro and card advantage since most of your mill is coming from creatures and Phenax
April 2, 2014 3:20 p.m.