A few more budget ideas: Fire Servant, Talon of Pain, Akoum Hellkite, and Bogardan Hellkite. Never seen a budget so small look so effective so hats off!
February 29, 2016 9:04 a.m.
Atony1400 he could run both in his deck(I would support that) but he can't use both to lock an infinite combo as the legend rule would kill one the moment he plays the second one. Firemind can make loops that kill but this isn't one of those combos unfortunately.
February 29, 2016 9:14 a.m.
Thanks for the comments and ideas!
I like Fire Servant because it is only I that benefit from on it, opposed to Dictate of the Twin Gods. A card i have totally overlooked. Thanks! - On the downside, in a political multiplayer environment, the same reason makes it a huge target.
In generel I have been picky on including creatures. It feels slow casting creatures (i cannot use Mizzix of the Izmagnus ability to reduce the cost of casting creatures), because they do not support rising experience counters count or control the game. For 6-8 mana on the board, and 5-8 experience counters i can win the game.
I even consider removing Charmbreaker Devils and Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind (allthough niv can be a win condition, commander replacement and and a game controller). But that maybe just me, and my love for spell slinging ;)
February 29, 2016 9:54 a.m. Edited.
Thanks for the suggestion Human33! Any card you consider replacing? Maybe High Tide, i do not feel i get so much value from this card.
While thinking about Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind. Another card choice occurred to me, namely Grafted Exoskeleton. Every time you draw a card, Niv does 1 damage, but now in the form of poison counters! The obvious thing to do, will be to cast draw spells for 10 cards = one player out of the game.
Another fun aspect would be to make sure all the opponents have one or more poison counters, let them remove Grafted Exoskeleton and think they are safe. But later on, introduce them to counter manipulators such as Inexorable Tide, while you build up experience counters, they slowly die!
February 29, 2016 11:42 a.m. Edited.
At some point i will move the comments under an update. I have another very attractive card in mind, Mystic Speculation. It is the low mans version of Sensei's Divining Top, maybe even better, because you get to put cards you don't like or need in the bottom of your library!
I consider to change it with High Tide
Just realize now that tappedout says that it's worth almost 2$, which is over the top of the budget build :S
But i live in europe, and at the card can be bought in english for 0.03 at the European pendant to tcg!
February 29, 2016 2:51 p.m. Edited.
I have decided to replace Mystic Speculation with High Tide. The price, for the deck, is still under 35 dollars on tcg, and it becomes so much strong with this card.
February 29, 2016 4:20 p.m.
I believe due to the legendary rule he can have both online at the same time, it's just the planeswalker uniqueNess rule that requires to sacrifice one if two the same type enter.
March 1, 2016 10:16 a.m.
I am not a magic expert, but others also backup, that you can have both at the same time Dracogenius + Firemind discussion.
I am still considering the dragons!
I have just found myself another auto-include - Shattering Pulse. It is crazy to able to destroy artifacts for a mana and then get the card back! I have decided to cut Time Reversal. It was in the deck for two reasons
1. Get back from Enter the Infinite.
2. If i had some experience counters, but the others board presence were to strong, i could use it to "reset" the game, it would set me in an superior position.
But every time i draw Enter the Infinite i win and i have not yet really needed it for purpose number 2.
March 1, 2016 11:25 a.m. Edited.
Another idea could be to replace Mind Spring with Whispers of the Muse. Without buyback whispers is only one and if i have experience counters, i can use it again and again!
March 1, 2016 12:36 p.m.
Haha i just thought of yet another funny buyback combo :D
Charmbreaker Devils and Seething Anger could make a great pair. If you have 3 experience counters, only 6 mana is needed to swing for 46 damage!
One could also consider Haze of Rage, but it need 8 spells cast before being more effective than Seething Anger - on one creature that is.
However I could see some fun starting with Clone Legion and Haze of Rage and maybe Inner Fire.
March 1, 2016 12:55 p.m.
Also i run in my list:1. Mystic Remora very useful, so powerful in multiplayer;2. AEtherspouts not the best bounce, but ...;3. Deep Analysis can easily trigger Mizzix's ability twice, very good;4. Mizzix's Mastery one of the wincons;5. Faithless Looting Flashback is really powerfull;6. Part the Waterveil if you like some extra turns (not expensive and standart legal, so there are plenty around);7. Whispers of the Muse powerful instant card draw with buyback;8. Preordain was in commander precon, another cheap way to gat first experience counter;9. Guttersnipe one of the winconditions in my deck, combos well with kicked Rite of Replication;10. Arjun, the Shifting Flame some mindmoil effect, not the best, because it's a creature, not a spell;11. Propaganda if you are being attacked too much;12. Ugin's Insight good carddraw, but on sorcery speed13. Rewind counter and ramp (with Mizzix);14. Frantic Search Ramp (with Mizzix) and looting on instant speed;15. Lightning Greaves andSwiftfoot Boots protection for your commander;16. Desperate Ritual combos nicely with Reiterate in my deck;17. Muddle the Mixture counter with tutor effect;18. Jace's Sanctum utility;19. Compulsive Research i like small non-X carddraw spells in my deck;20. Blasphemous Act one of the best "wrath" efect in red;21. Pull from the Deep one more recursion spell;22. Mana Geyser very powerful ramp spell especially in multiplayer game;23. Foresee more carddraw;24. Chain Reaction possible replacement for Incite Rebellion;25. Treasure Cruise restricted card in vintage and legal in commander ( if you know what I mean...:);26. Capsize best target control spell in any blue deck, too powerful with Mizzix;27. Silent Arbiter good card in creature-heavy metagame;28. Halimar Depths good nonbasic land;29. Dissipation Field "don't attack me";30. Melek, Izzet Paragon some copying action;31. Talrand, Sky Summoner can get out of control very fast;32. Volcanic Vision "wrath" and recursion;That's all, sorry for my english and such amount of text. Mizzix is my favourite general at this moment
March 1, 2016 1:07 p.m.
Wow thanks for taking you time with writing all that!
Yeah Mizzix is mine as well, he is so awesome!
I wrote an answer before, but i lost the text due to some auto log out error...
Hope its okay, i only comment on some of your suggestions:
- With Guttersnipe and kicked Rite of Replication it would only take 4 spells, to kill all opponents. I did not see that one! Nice :)
- Rewind Haha nice one with Mizzix, i didn't think of that! Frantic Search is also perfect. Good suggestions!
- Mana Geyser Really nice ramp!
- Talrand, Sky Summoner I do cast a lot instants and sorceries with Mizzix, maybe i should consider this again.
I just need to figure out what to replace...
March 1, 2016 2:23 p.m.
To my mind, there are too much sorcery-speed damage spells in your deck such as Rolling Thunder; Banefire; Earthquake; Fireball.
Maybe, it's your playstyle, but i find them too slow and now powerful without Mizzix on the battlefield. Try cutting them.
Also, some non-recurable conterspells are not too powerful in multiplayer EDH. I am talking about Clash of Wills; Logic Knot; Syncopate
March 2, 2016 7 a.m.
Surrak_and_Roll says... #20
Awesome deck, +1! I'm very interested in building this deck for myself if that'd be alright. What cards would you cut for the improvements you listed in the description? As for suggestions Melek, Izzet Paragon and Goblin Electromancer are both budget and would be extremely good in this deck.
September 26, 2016 3 p.m.
Awesome deck my friend! Just one suggestion that springs to mind, since you have Enter the Infinite, is Laboratory Maniac. +1 from me, looks a lot of fun to play!!
September 28, 2016 9:20 a.m.
rustyautoparts says... #23
Just won my first ever EDH game with this deck. Really fun to play. Thanks for sharing!
January 8, 2020 4:25 p.m.
Nickals-Tresarry says... #24
Thank you for your hard work ! I was looking for a fun izzet deck to play moreover with a cute low price ! +1 from me
January 10, 2020 1:58 p.m.
You are welcome! Hope you enjoy it. It’s hard to keep the price low on the deck. The prices keep raising on the cards! I might give it a review soon.
Atony1400 says... #1
I'd recommend Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius instead, a 5/5 instead of a 4/4 for the same cmc, and a possible infinate draw engine, for only .4 more! Put them both out together for 2 damage, and drawing a card for only !
February 28, 2016 10:36 p.m.