Modern User Specialties (Jan. Banlist Update)

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Alright, so I think I'll put up elpokitolama for D&T because it does have some differences with the Bears, most notably in blinking. As Junk pointed though, the only really viable Voltron strategy in Modern is Boggles. If you're fine with it NoviceMagician, I'll put you up as well in that archetype.

July 6, 2015 8:11 p.m.

NoviceMagician says... #2

Yeh, that's fine. The main reason was to give users someone to consult about it.

As SirFowler wouldn't say, hot beans.

July 6, 2015 8:46 p.m.

6tennis says... #3

Summoning thebaby (elpokitolama) because he's a d&t "master" now.

July 6, 2015 9:47 p.m.

NoviceMagician says... #4

Well, looks like I'm putting up my Boggles deck now. XD

Might as well throw up my other Voltron while I'm at it.

July 6, 2015 10:02 p.m.

Servo_Token says... #5

While we're changing things, you may wish to take me off of twin as I no longer play the deck or wish to keep up with it. I'm still good for loam and melira though

July 6, 2015 10:07 p.m.

ThatJunkMage Done. Thanks for the heads-up :)

July 6, 2015 10:09 p.m.

Servo_Token says... #7

Also, it appears to me as though this thread / tool is giving off the impression that this is a list of "decks I play / have played" to some users, and I don't think that that is what it is meant to be. Could there be some sort of detailed explanation of what this list is for? Maybe require some sort of proof that the person is capable of giving help / advice on a particular deck?

I realize that this may come off as elitist, but if a person wants to be on this list because they play the deck, that shouldn't warrant them being labeled as "having an in depth knowledge of the deck; how to play it and how to tune a particular list".

I will say though that this is not my project, and this is merely a suggestion as it is what I would do if this were my project.

July 6, 2015 10:30 p.m.

NoviceMagician says... #8

I was under the impression this was a list comprised of users who are willing to give above exceptional advice to their corresponding category. As to what is considered above exceptional: Giving advice based on every ounce of knowledge you have on the archetype, and always ready to give more.

Everyone gives better advice if it is an archetype they like. Proof is unnessecary.

July 6, 2015 11:17 p.m.

Servo_Token says... #9

NoviceMagician

While proof "is unnecessary", I would much prefer to ask the B/G Rock player with a primer about it on his profile a question about the archetype than the guy that doesn't even have anything resembling a G/B deck on his profile. I'm just saying that proving your merit will help attract attention to you as opposed to others in your category, and if someone else can and will consistently provide better information than you will, why bother having you on the list? Again, not trying to sound elitist, but when someone is looking to use this as a tool to get better, I wouldn't want to be wasting my time with people that only like to pretend that they know what they're talking about. If there's only one person so far that's stepped up to be in a given position though (Say, the Vampires guy), that's totally fine that he's the only one in the community that feels like he has something to offer. But once there gets to be like 5-6 people in one archetype, you have to question who's really here to help other people as opposed to just getting their name on a list.

July 6, 2015 11:42 p.m. Edited.

I would rather ask the one who pours every ounce of knowledge they have on the archetype and will constantly try their best. I wouldn't mind if they had their own decks in that archetype or not. As long as the users up there in that list are willing to do everything they can to help the deck, experience is irrelevant, as they have truly done their best, and doing your best is always above exceptional.

And you don't sound like an elitist, voicing one's concerns and thoughts never sounds elitist. I wholeheartedly respect everything you've said.

As for the people who just want to be on the list, they are digging their own grave. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

July 6, 2015 11:59 p.m.

ThatJunkMage in a sense, you're right that we do need some conditions before accepting people. That's something I'm still thinking about, as well as what actual archetypes should be in the list. If you have suggestions, I'm plenty open to them. However, as Magician pointed out, as long as the people on the list can help (and I have faith in them that they can), there's no need for anything big.

July 7, 2015 7:51 a.m.

ChiefBell says... #12

I think that we do need to approach with care because people may be tempted to blindly follow the advice of a so called 'expert' even if it isn't good advice. In these situations there are few, if any, consequences to giving poor advice. Rather than relying on less knowledgeable users to vet the advice that they're being given, the onus should be on us, the experts to vet the advice we're giving out because we're in a better situation to do so.

July 7, 2015 7:57 a.m.

Hey, hence why I started the chat with you ChiefBell :) Whatever, it can be discussed here anyways.

So for the deck archetypes, I was thinking of putting the decks in Chief's primer, no more, no less, to avoid discussions about whether X rogue deck is competitive or not. That would mean that the primer would have to be updated often, but I think that that's already the case, and it's the most popular Modern ressource on the site.

As for the "conditions"... I really don't know. It can't really be something about votes because featuring is a thing. Being in the top X users won't help either because many users get popular for homebrews and Johnny decks. I'm not going to ask for tournament proof or whatever, partially because there are a lot of online users. Once again, if someone has an idea about this, please shout it out.

July 7, 2015 8:09 a.m.

Servo_Token says... #14

Just some sort of example on that user's profile that they have actual experience with the deck? Like a primer, tournament reports, or if it's just common knowledge that they play the deck like in APPLE01DOJ's case with gb decks. Maybe have some sort of small survey to be filled out before accepting someone that questions them on their deck. If they have no idea how to side board, for example, maybe don't accept that person. It definitely should not be based on TO popularity for reasons mentioned, but just if that person can show an understanding of the deck before being accepted.

July 7, 2015 11:13 a.m.

So would this list be comprised of competitive players only? Because I can tell you the ins and outs of burn, but since there are literally zero Modern tourneys around here, I never have the chance to sideboard and so I know zip about that.

July 7, 2015 11:18 a.m.

APPLE01DOJ says... #16

I love Golgari & it's all I play but I rather not be on that list. I'm not a pro by any means & current "Rock" lists have evolved to Jund or Junk or reverted back to Death Cloud.

July 7, 2015 11:58 a.m.

I actually feel like writing a full break-down on Voltron (and Bogles) now, because I have no life. :p

I have other obligations around this site (and other sites, and I'm about to move) right now though, so it'll take awhile.

July 7, 2015 1:26 p.m.

ComradeJim270 says... #18

No elf specialists yet? That appears to be a thing now.

July 7, 2015 3:24 p.m.

NoviceMagician That would be more for Chief's primer, you can ask him about that.

APPLE01DOJ You're off. Thanks for letting me know!

ComradeJim270 Nope.

July 7, 2015 8:54 p.m.

I've heard about Chief's primer, but never actually saw it.

EDIT- Is it on his page?

July 7, 2015 8:59 p.m. Edited.

Hot beans, thank you Chief.

July 8, 2015 1:20 p.m.

"Hot beans"

July 8, 2015 1:46 p.m.

SirFowler says... #24

Is there such a thing as Faeries being a specialty?

July 8, 2015 2:22 p.m.

6tennis says... #25

I believe so.

July 8, 2015 3:03 p.m.

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