ShadowLand says... #2
@ AlfaNerd, I'm not sure why you would want something that costs 1 more, and performs the same function. In a better question, why not both? I have 3 in the SB, and can bring it in at any time should I need it.
February 19, 2014 6:16 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #3
Also, if you read the description, it states that the function of Dreadbore was to replace the 2-coated Doom Blade , the Hero's Downfall were in the SB the whole time.
February 19, 2014 6:18 p.m.
hunterman1043 says... #4
I think @AlfaNerd was trying to say that Hero's Downfall is an instant which would allow you to cast it on an opponent's turn to disrupt a summon or stop an attack. A friend of mine runs a deck very similar to your's and he only runs Dreadbore . I keep telling him that Hero's Downfall would be better for the speed. Sometimes cost alone is not all that matters, especially when you have mana untapped on their turn. Honestly, you could have just kept the Doom Blade in there and added in like Dark Betrayal into the side.
You also might want to think of an answer to the gods, like an exile card like Gild if the god is a creature.... Keep it in the side... Idk just something to think about. Really you'd have to splash in a little of any of the other colors to really get some good exiling cards but eh.
I like your deck tho for sure. +1
February 19, 2014 6:44 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #5
I really did think about Gild hunterman1043 as a sideboard, and I own 3 of them now. And yes, now I see what AlfaNerd was getting at. Yes, I do see that side of it. And I might actually switch the Dreadbore to the SB as an in-case as well, however, in playtesting, the Dreadbore s have held up really well and not been an issue. However, to hone down on some consistency, I may just run 4-of Hero's Downfall and 4-of Read the Bones to ensure I hit them more consistently.
With so much black in the format currently tho, Doom Blade is a dead card so many games it's almost not worth running it. Hence the reason I tried to find a way to remove it altogether. I feel like there are so many removal options now that even Bile Blight is better to run MB over Doom Blade .
Also, I have been extensively playtesting this, and the color I have come up against the most in the meta is black. Probably over 60% of the time.Thanks for the comments and suggestions!!!
February 19, 2014 6:57 p.m.
hunterman1043 says... #6
Yea I just play casually with friends in standard, modern, legacy, etc... So I haven't really seen what majority of people are running in the meta.
February 19, 2014 7:35 p.m.
If there are seriously people who don't understand how Hero's Downfall is five times better than Dreadbore , I am speechless. At least hunterman1043 and ShadowLand have some common sense.
It's like the difference between having the normal Supreme Verdict and being able to play it at an instant spped.
Aside from having to tap unnecessary mana on your own turn, instants let you respond to attacks, triggers... ok, I was wrong the first time, Downfall is actually ten times better.
February 19, 2014 8:07 p.m.
I really want to know how the interaction between Rakdos, Lord of Riots and Mogis, God of Slaughter acts out on the play table. In theory, it should be a flawless interaction of them taking the damage rather than having to lose a creature, into you playing Rakdos, Lord of Riots .
February 19, 2014 9:37 p.m.
hunterman1043 says... #9
If that fails, then he can always Lightning Strike or Magma Jet for the damage.
February 19, 2014 10:02 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #10
Well fijord, they take the 2 damage on their turn, and you have to get damage in on your turn to cast Rakdos, Lord of Riots , so maybe even using Tymaret, the Murder King would even be better. But then you'd have to have 6 mana available.
February 20, 2014 12:03 a.m.
spaceMudkip says... #11
This seems really cool. +1 for sure.I like Rakdos, Lord of Riots being in main a lot. What's your plan for a match up with other black decks with more removal though? I'm also trying to make a Rakdos control build right now. R/B needs to be in Standard.
February 20, 2014 12:52 a.m.
ShadowLand says... #12
@ spaceMudkip, coming up against other black decks is why there is so much more removal in the SB, its a tough match-up for sure.
February 20, 2014 8:48 a.m.
is your goal to make Rakdos a thing or Rakdos Aggro a thing? because Rakdos Control is fairly consistent now with the new Temple of Malice
enabling the double mana costs on both sides. I've been messing around with a cruel conrol Rakdos deck that's been testing very well, lots of sweepers(Anger, Mortars, Drown in Sorrow
), hand disruption(4 TS main, 4 Duress side, 2+ returns), removal(4 hero's 4 dreadbore) and draw power(connections, bones) with 4xStormbreath Dragon
, 4xDesecration Demon
and 2xMogis, God of Slaughter
and maybe 2xUnderworld Cerberus
as your beaters.
February 20, 2014 9:07 a.m.
Hello ShadowLand, like your deck! Have a similar build with white splashed into it. White does a lot of work for the deck with a card like Boros Charm to defend your assets with indestructibillity. This might be a suggestion to try?
Furthermore i feel the Xathrid Necromancer doesn't do enough. Maybe a replacement with Nightveil Specter witch is a good threedrop and gives 3 devotion in stead of one.
Lots of luck with your build!!
Greets oltmof.
February 20, 2014 9:10 a.m.
feyn_do_alduin says... #15
mogis + Rakdos, Lord of Riots = O.P.
Rakdos, Lord of Riots + minotaurs = O.P.
February 20, 2014 10:03 a.m.
feyn_do_alduin says... #16
Rakdos, Lord of Riots + Ragemonger = minotaur free casts
February 20, 2014 10:04 a.m.
ShadowLand says... #17
oltmof, that's exactly where I am headed with it, you pretty much read my mind there. Nightveil Specter is a beast, and has tons of potential. Xathrid Necromancer is awesome, but I generally feel there are better options here. Plus I can negate the triple black problem in the CMC by replacing my Mountain s with Steam Vents to hit the U in the CMC if I have the one-off mana.
@ Oddjob9, its just my goal to make Rakdos a thing. I think all the tools are there, just need to find the right combos.
February 20, 2014 11:56 a.m.
I'm playing this deck - Gross Rakdos
I've found that BOTH Dreadbore and Hero's Downfall are insane. Maybe Downfall's better cuz it's an instant, but Dread only costs 2! Then again, I'm playing a much different deck. imo, if you're playing Rakdos, you need to be playing Dreadbore , no question! 2-cost removal that answers everything but Master of Waves . I like this deck a lot. Rakdos is a thing - we'll find the balance. I prefer Underworld Connections over Read the Bones but haven't tested it. I like drawing at the end of his turn OR on mine, plus the devotion for Mogis.
I've found Slaughter Games to be another insane, underrated card. Rakdos's Return is out there as well but this aggro deck looks awesome. Hail Rakdos. +1
February 20, 2014 1:27 p.m.
spaceMudkip says... #19
@Oddjob9 you should post your Rakdos Control list
February 20, 2014 6:30 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #20
@ Oddjob9, can you link us to that Rakdos control list please??
February 20, 2014 7:03 p.m.
Dorglaugoth says... #21
I'd recommend playing 3 Desecration Demon over Exava, mainly because desecration demon will usually equal out to more damage, not always though, cool deck! +1
February 20, 2014 7:17 p.m.
I would recommend replacing Rakdos Shred-Freak with Spike Jester . You seem to have enough mana fixing to be able to cast Spike Jester on turn two consistently, and without Xathrid Necromancer , the shred-freaks don't really have any benefit over the spike jesters, since they both give you the same devotion for Mogis.
Also, I might have to try running Read the Bones in my Rakdos Aggro deck. It seems like that would be more reliable card draw than the Pain Seer s are.
February 20, 2014 7:37 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #23
@ Gruzjmal, the Rakdos Shred-Freak adds double devotion to Purphoros, God of the Forge as well as Mogis, God of Slaughter , that's why I picked it over the Spike Jester , as well as the fact that I can still cast it if I don't have a red source early game.
And yes, I would agree, Read the Bones would definitely be more reliable card draw than Pain Seer
February 20, 2014 9:11 p.m.
That makes sense, I wasn't thinking of needing the devotion for Purphoros, God of the Forge . I can see Purphoros being very handy late game when the opponent has more blockers on the board (regardless of whether he is a creature).
Anyway, this looks like a good deck. Thanks for posting.
February 21, 2014 12:24 a.m.
reverendvile777 says... #25
The curve in this deck needs work, you need to a few more one drops and less 3 drops for this to be very consistent. I highly recommend Thoughtseize as a 4-of, otherwise you lose to Supreme Verdict decks every single time, you aren't fast enough to outlive a Verdict or them dropping an Elspeth, Sun's Champion and chumping you to death until they find it after chaining multiple Sphinx's Revelation . White Weenies and GR Devotion/GR Monsters have superior aggro power, Mono-Black has stupid removal against you, Mono-Blue has crazy tempo you can't stop until game 2. It's an idea with some potential, but it needs some work to be competitive in the metagame.
+1, keep at it man.
AlfaNerd says... #1
Dreadbore ? In a world where we have Hero's Downfall ? Nope.
February 19, 2014 3:09 p.m.