My 1st Black And White Allies Deck

Standard* Wilysnake

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The_Raven says... #1

You are playing way too many one-of's and two-of's. This makes your deck really inconsistent... Furthermore, your mana base can't support 3 colors. Cut it down to two or maybe even one color.

Choose the absolute best cards in your deck and pay 3-4 of them.

January 22, 2016 3:13 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #2

The_Raven Thanks for the suggestion... can you help me understand that of the mana base, and to know how i can know it can support 3 or x colors??? Sorry, i'm at this game, but trying to learn...

January 22, 2016 3:31 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #3

Correction: I'm new at this game, but trying to learn

January 22, 2016 3:35 a.m.

IzzetGod says... #4

A lot of these cards are not Standard legal. Do you plan to make it Standard?

January 22, 2016 8:58 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #5

IzzetGod Yes, i want to make it standard legal

January 22, 2016 11:04 a.m.

IzzetGod says... #6

Alright, well first off, Graypelt Hunter, Graypelt Refuge, Consume the Meek, Aspect of Gorgon and Oppressive Rays are not currently legal in Standard.

As for replacements for the cards, Ally Encampment helps with mana fixing. Captain's Claws is a great way to trigger Rally.

January 22, 2016 2:56 p.m.

Wilysnake says... #7

IzzetGod i've added Ally Encampment and Captain's Claws on the maybeboard along with some other cards that might fit in this deck.

January 23, 2016 11:33 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #8

IzzetGod Maybe I end up with a black and white deck

January 23, 2016 2:13 p.m.

IzzetGod says... #9

I definitely think Black White is better for this kind of deck. But first I suggest you replace the non-Standard cards. That way people who look at the deck will probably stick around to actually help.

January 23, 2016 3:35 p.m.

Wilysnake says... #10

IzzetGod how does it look by now?, not complete yet...

January 23, 2016 6 p.m.

IzzetGod says... #11

I really like Retreat to Hagra (only as a 1 or 2 of though because you don't run Fetch Lands).

I think you could lighten up on the creatures that are 5CMC. Kalastria Nightwatch is just bad. So is Nirkana Assassin. I think if you were to add in Zulaport Cutthroat's as well as Expedition Envoy, you can be much faster and that way you'd be able to merely focus on draining the opponent's life instead of life gain (with how fast you should play, life gain shouldn't really no anything, and you should really care about your life total). I also think Foul-Tongue Shriek is worth a 2-3 of as a game ender, so I'd add more of those in favor of Angelic Gift and Pacifism.

And lastly, I'd suggest Caves of Koilos over Scoured Barrens since they don't enter the battlefield tapped.

Besides that, I'd say the deck is actually becoming a good take on an Ally "Drain and Gain" deck.

January 23, 2016 7:52 p.m.

Wilysnake says... #12

IzzetGod I had to take Angel Renewal, Hero of Goma Fada out, plus the cards you mentioned to make them fit in a 60 cards deck.Though they were expensive, a 5CMC and a 6CMC.

January 23, 2016 11:11 p.m.

Hey a bit of advice. Drop your 2/1 for 1 and get stonehaven acolite or whatever it is

January 24, 2016 1:47 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #14

Leviathanblaze my apologies for my ignorance, but what do you mean with drop my 2/1 for 1?

January 24, 2016 2 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #15

January 24, 2016 2:06 a.m.

baitdoll says... #16

2/1 for 1 means your expedition envoy, hes a 2/1 for 1 mana. I think hes a good one drop, but he doesn't effectively help the deck in combo or synergy. Meanwhile, acolyte helps get equipment if you want to go that route.

People say "x/x for x" as a base on measuring a creature. If you have like a 4/4 for 4, its solid. 3/3 for 3. Same. 2/1 for 1 is above the curve of mana to power/toughness ratio. However, a 3/4 for 4 is bad, unless he has a good ability. On the flip side, a 4/4 trample for 4 is REALLY good. You'll hear this kind of speech a lot.

January 24, 2016 2:15 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #17

Leviathanblaze, baitdoll, IzzetGod. Everyday I learn something new, thanks for the advices, suggestions, and explanations...

January 24, 2016 2:24 a.m.

baitdoll says... #18

I just got back into standard after a few years myself, and I played Black/White allies at a PPTQ(Prelimenary Pro Tour Qualifier) earlier today. I did not do good at all but my deck was budget, and more combo wombo based than yours. I only ran 16 creatures, which really hurt me. I don't think I'm going to stick with black/white allies, but I could see a 5 color allies deck being pretty good, or less colors, but encampment is so good, you just need to be creature heavy.

January 24, 2016 3:47 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #19

That's great!! Well, at least this deck is looking decent... way better to how it was, I know it could be better if i had money to buy good cards...

January 24, 2016 4:05 a.m.

IzzetGod says... #20

The only real expensive cards that you could run and aren't in here are Fetch Lands and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar so really there isn't much you can spend on this deck anyway.

I'm not entirely sure about how good it runs in these decks, but I myself and not that big of a fan of March from the Tomb. Maybe some kind of early removal would work. Some suggestions would be Murderous Cut, Silkwrap and Ultimate Price (Ultimate Price is not that great right now with all the colorless hanging around but it still works). Again I don't know how well March from the Tomb works in these decks; but it doesn't look to be that great.

January 24, 2016 9:38 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #21

March from the Tomb I can use it as an end game as well... let's just say I have the 4 Kalastria Healer in the graveyard and i decide to use March from the Tomb, I will be able to take the 4 Kalastria Healer onto battlefield because the total mana cost is 8. Doing so, it will trigger 4 times each Kalastria Healer ability drainig 16 life points to the opponent and i gain 16 life points.

January 24, 2016 10:18 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #22

IzzetGod If I'm using some removal, maybe I could use Bone Splinters

January 24, 2016 10:25 a.m.

Argy says... #23

Wilysnake it's probably very unlikely that you'll have all four of your Kalastria Healer in your Graveyard to return at once.

That doesn't make March from the Tomb bad, though.

A good removal spell that hasn't been suggested is Immolating Glare.

You could Sideboard in Celestial Flare for matchup against Indestructible and Hexproof Creatures.

January 24, 2016 10:41 a.m.

IzzetGod says... #24

The only issue I see with that combo is how often will you have those Kalastria Healer's in the Graveyard and cast March from the Tomb? The game could pretty well be over before that could happen. Besides that I think it works fine.

Bone Splinters goes well with Zulaport Cutthroat but it's a Sorcery and losing your own creature just to kill another one isn't what you want to be doing I don't think.

January 24, 2016 10:42 a.m.

Wilysnake says... #25

IzzetGod I don't have all the card for this deck... I'll have to buy some of them. But if you have all the cards for this deck, can you give it a try and test it for me, please???

January 24, 2016 2:09 p.m.

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