My Golgari Deck is Original (New and Improved!)
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Jarrheadd0 says... #2
What exactly would Liliana of the Veil do for me?
September 15, 2012 7:16 p.m.
Give you card advantage since your cards do something in the graveyard yet opponents' cards probably won't. If you discard a Veilborn Ghoul and then play a swamp you have him out turn 4 while also making your opponent discard. Same thing with Slitherhead in the sense that when he gets to your graveyard you get to do something with him while the opponent is just discarding. All the while this could be buffing your Splinterfright and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord . I would take out the Corpsejack Menace and throw her in.
September 15, 2012 7:58 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #4
Okay, I see where you're going with this now. It's not a bad idea, but I have a couple objections. First of all, she's not a creature, so I might accidentally Grisly Salvage her into my graveyard. Second, though discard does help me, I'll already be discarding a lot with Lotleth Troll . You actually made me think of the fact that I should find something to help me draw cards, so I can have something in my hand.
September 15, 2012 11:14 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #5
I think I'll replace Corpsejack Menace with the same number of Disciple of Bolas . He's still a creature, so not the worst thing ever to mill, and works with the theme. But I really do appreciate the suggestion, and I'll try some playtesting with Liliana of the Veil in. Who knows, it could be amazing.
September 15, 2012 11:17 p.m.
Just to play devil's advocate here about the play Liliana or don't Liliana comments, but you're also just as likely to Grisly Salvage out your 3 Rancor , 2 Abrupt Decay , or your card:Jarad's Orders as well. It comes down to what spells you are willing to put in your bin.
There are a couple ways you can approach that sort of information. One, you can say screw it and hope that you don't mill out all of your non-creature spells. This leads to inconsistency in the way your deck will play from game to game. Two, you can play 4 of the non-creature spells to increase the likelihood that you will draw one and not mill all of them. Third, you play non-creature spells that have flashback. For example, Sever the Bloodline is much better than Abrupt Decay if they are both in your graveyard.
I personally would run Mulch over the card:Jarad's Orders, Abrupt Decay , and Rancor . I'd also put in one or two Sever the Bloodline because they can be cast both from your hand or your yard.
Also, nice call on adding in more Disciple of Bolas . That card is underrated; it's really good.
+1 from me.
September 16, 2012 4:34 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #7
The only thing I'm worried about with Mulch ing is that I'll mill something really important, like a Lotleth Troll . That would really, really suck. I was thinking about possibly using card:Tracker's Instincts and splashing blue for the flashback, but I don't know. What I really need is a black Forbidden Alchemy . lol
Also, it feels odd to build a deck like this without Strangleroot Geist , but I suppose Lotleth Troll replaces it as my 2-drop of choice.
Sever the Bloodline seems all right, but the regular cost is quite high, not even looking at the flashback cost of 7.
card:Jarad's Orders seems a bit slow, though it'd be nice to have a tutor. Thoughts on adding Garruk Relentless Flip ?
Perhaps I should mainboard Tragic Slip and put Abrupt Decay into the sideboard.
Also, thought about a bad card that might be good here: Jar of Eyeballs ? A 3-drop that helps me dig and gives me something to do on my opponent's turn? Maybe.
September 16, 2012 5:09 p.m.
In my experience, Mulch is better than card:Tracker's Instincts for a couple of reasons. One, you will be milling out lands, and you'll need lands. Two, you don't need to splash another color (like blue) if you're not going to use it except for that one card. If you are going to splash any color for one card, you should splash white for Unburial Rites . Also, you would need to play card:Avacyn's Pilgrim and Temple Garden or Sunpetal Grove to ensure your white sources. I assume that you're leaving in Birds for now with your fingers crossed on it being reprinted in RTR?
Mulching out trolls is fine. It feeds your Jarad and Splinterfrights. Although, the geist has more synergy with Jarad. But then again, you're likely to have a large troll that you can use a disciple on to gain life and draw cards. I'd say run 4 trolls and 2 geists.
The cost of Sever is so high is because it exiles multiple creatures with one spell, twice.
Garruk would be nice, but you're going to mill it out more often than draw it if you only run one.
Slips are better than Decays when you have a sac outlet like Jarad in play.
I'd like the jar better if this was an edh deck, but again, it's likely to get milled out if you only run one of it.
Have you considered using Kessig Cagebreakers and/or Thragtusk ?
September 16, 2012 5:39 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #9
I did some playtesting with how I currently have it, and I was really happy with it. I find that Grisly Salvage had me going through quite a few cards. I was getting down to the 20s and 30s in my deck. So I think I'll be going with neither Mulch nor card:Tracker's Instincts.
I found that the only time it was acceptable to mill a Lotleth Troll was after turn four. They are just stupidly powerful. Having one with several Veilborn Ghoul s in the graveyard, and then playing a Swamp is simply ridiculous.
Kessig Cagebreakers and Thragtusk are both a bit expensive for this deck at 5cmc. Besides, my Lotleth Troll will always trample for some damage, and my Disciple of Bolas has me covered on the grounds of life gain.
I really appreciate all your help with this. I think the deck looks a lot better now with some of your suggestions.
September 16, 2012 6:28 p.m.
Your welcome. Anytime you need help with something, let me know. I love to help where I can.
September 16, 2012 6:47 p.m.
I would look at fitting some Dreg Mangler in, probably 2 for 2 of the veilborn ghoul, and have a look at Deathrite Shaman . Should slot in alright if you can find space for a pair
September 20, 2012 7:24 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #12
Everyone seems to be really crazy about Dreg Mangler , but I just don't see it. Sure, it's an all right card, but I don't want to be scavenging excessively with Splinterfright and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord . Also, I have looked at Deathrite Shaman . It's a pretty bad-ass card, and I'd certainly love to have it. The only problem is, I already have 12 1-drops, and I certainly don't want more. My 1-drops are pretty important too. I'll probably try to make room for 2 or 3. Thanks for the suggestions!
September 20, 2012 10:06 p.m.
Arbor Elf w/ Underworld Connections is an amazing card draw catalyst.
September 22, 2012 1:35 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #14
Huh. So it is. That's a very interesting combo, but fortunately, I'm good on card draw with Disciple of Bolas . I also usually need my Arbor Elf for mana, but thanks for the idea, I may choose to implement it in another deck!
September 22, 2012 1:56 p.m.
KanvasKing says... #15
i'd definitely run 4x Woodlands because as you know the shock lands do count as swamp or forest so the woodlands would indeed come into play untapped. |As for graveyard hate i'm not sure what to do there. I guess every guild has it's weaknesses.
September 23, 2012 11:47 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #18
I'm considering 4x Elixir of Immortality in the sideboard against Graveyard hate. I figure it'd be better to shuffle my graveyard back into my library than have it get exiled. Thoughts?
September 23, 2012 11:58 p.m.
KanvasKing says... #19
Oh for sure! that's actually quite the good idea. I like it a lot.
September 24, 2012 12:08 a.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #21
What would you suggest removing? Also, I'm not as sold on Abrupt Decay as everyone else is as a mainboard card.
September 27, 2012 4:02 p.m.
I don't see why not. What deck won't have cards with cmc 3 or less in it? There's a reason it's already $15.
Honestly, I'd take out Arbor Elf . You don't need ramp in this deck and you'd be much better off playing Gravecrawler or keeping Tragic Slip open.
September 27, 2012 4:43 p.m.
In its place in the sideboard, I'd put in Golgari Charm .
September 27, 2012 4:44 p.m.
bagthesnoot says... #24
I'd take out the Veilborn Ghoul s for the Abrupt Decay s.
September 27, 2012 5:25 p.m.
Jarrheadd0 says... #25
I understand where you're coming from zandl. I'll remove the Golgari Charm s in favor of the same number of Abrupt Decay s. But I think I will keep the Arbor Elf s. They're there for the possibility of a turn 2 Lotleth Troll with one mana left open for regeneration. We all know Lotleth Troll s will be big targets right when they hit. Also, the Gravecrawler s usually get discarded to a Lotleth Troll .
@bagthesnoot I won't take out the Veilborn Ghoul s. They are purely a discard engine for Lotleth Troll , and an excellent one at that.
tlind says... #1
Put in some Liliana of the Veil . Would work well with Splinterfright and Jarad. You are also lacking 3 drops so I think it could work.
September 15, 2012 4:15 p.m.