Bigbadbear88 says... #2
Good point. My last exposure to the Modern meta was GP Worcester in late July. I had run into 3 Jund/Junk midrange decks, 1 Ad Nauseum, and 1 Faeries out of 5 rounds. I imagine that I would be seeing a ton of mirrored Burn and some Delver.
However, one argument that Leyline is better is that it 100% without-a-doubt turn-1-scoop shuts down Burn if they don't have enchantment hate sided in. Another advantage is that not all burn decks will even have enchantment hate, especially if they don't have white, so even game 3 they can't board against it as often as they could against artifacts.
Dragon's Claw is definitely better in Delver, however, as even the lifegain off of your own spells will help you to win the race, as well as their Bolts and Young Pyromancers.
November 5, 2014 1:26 a.m.
notsam1656 says... #3
Anyone who says that goblin guide is better than monastery swiftspear is just wrong. the only turn where guide is better is turn 1, from then on swiftspear is strictly better. Noone blocks it because theyre afraid of the blowout, and it almost always does atleast 2
November 10, 2014 2:14 p.m.
Swiftspears are as good but not better than Goblin Guide. Swiftspear requires much higher mana investment than Goblin Guide to do damage, where goblin guides do their damage for the low low price of 1 mana.
Don't get me wrong, swiftspears are great, but they're not strictly better than goblin guide, especially not in RDW
November 10, 2014 2:37 p.m.
Guide is better. You want to be casting your spells in the opponents turn not your own. Guide gives you access to more information because he let's you hold off for longer which is incredibly valuable.
November 10, 2014 2:39 p.m.
YamishiTheWickedOne says... #6
Guide is a better turn 1. Honestly though, run both.
November 10, 2014 4:14 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #7
I don't like Monastery Swiftspear in Burn or Red Deck Wins, personally. Swiftspear almost requires you to play tempo with the way it's designed. It's good, but after testing it in RDW/Burn, it's much better in a tempo, i.e. Delver, shell.
Goblin Guide will always be better in this sort of list. It requires zero investment to be effective, gives information, and is the best one drop for RDW/Burn. You may be better off running Vexing Devil or Grim Lavamancer over Swiftspear.
November 10, 2014 6:48 p.m.
YamishiTheWickedOne says... #8
Vexing Devil is useful, as is Grim Lavamancer. But Swiftspear should be a 4-of here. She straight up wins games.
November 10, 2014 7:26 p.m.
RabidCatigi says... #9
Just a crazy idea when i woke up but maybe Stomping Slabs for the top of the curve? I mean there's no draw back except it won't deal damage but still it's 7 for three mana! c:
November 11, 2014 6:06 a.m.
Its a good deck but once you get Eidolon of the Great Revel out, a lot of your spells will harm you since his ability reads "whenever a player" and a lot of your spells fall under the 3 or less mana cost. unless you are waiting to get him out until later rounds but if you get him out 2nd turn then he can do more harm than good.
November 12, 2014 5:46 p.m.
Burn loves Eidolon of the Great Revel. As much as it hurts you, you're killing the opponent faster.
November 12, 2014 6:12 p.m.
Very nice! For burn- Searing Blood Anger of the Gods Mizzium Mortars. Put them in your sideboard at least.
November 13, 2014 8:55 p.m.
After playing with the deck more I have come to really like Monastery Swiftspear it fits it's slot very nicely, I had my doubts at first but it's a great card.
Stomping Slabs would be fun in a more casual deck but for this deck it's just not going to deal damage every time. It also almost requires me to play four of them and if I'm going to have a three mana cost burn spell in this deck it would, and has been before, be Flames of the Blood Hand but that has since been cut in favor of Boros Charm
Eidolon of the Great Revel is an amazing card. Get that guy down on turn two and your opponent has to deal with it or else the game is going to be over for them very quickly. I guess all I can really say is play with burn enough and it's a no brainer why it's so good.
I have Searing Blood in the sideboard and absolutely love the card, it hates on aggro big time. Anger of the Gods is good but it doesn't deal any damage to the player, in burn hitting the player is everything. I do use Volcanic Fallout which is a nice sweeper against Delver, can't be countered and deals with every threat they can bring out. Same thing with Mizzium Mortars it doesn't hurt the player and by the looks of it I don't see why I would run it over Flame Slash, the overload cost is way to high for burn to cast.
Love America Wins, I'll have to use that in an update haha
November 15, 2014 12:08 a.m.
If your D is red you should get it checked out by a doctor...
December 9, 2014 8:20 p.m.
YamishiTheWickedOne says... #18
You could consider going to 19 lands and dropping Searing Blaze down to 2 in favor of 2 Shard Volley or Mutagenic Growth.
Also, some sideboard cards to consider: splashing green for Destructive Revelry is a good idea if you like. Kor Firewalker is godly in the mirror match, and Soulfire Grand Master is a nice tech. I'm gonna go ahead and recommend Anger of the Gods for affinity and jund, and Molten Rain for tron and scapeshift and the like. If decks keep healing on you, you may want to invest in a few Rain of Gore.
January 27, 2015 2:48 p.m.
Tyrannosary says... #19
Check out my legacy burn deck if you need any ideas, Burn in Turns
February 21, 2015 11:10 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #20
I think you're stretching yourself by running Wild Nacatl. The damage you'll be doing yourself would be great in comparison to what it deals. Granted you're RDW, but nonetheless against other Aggro decks that matters. I'd flesh out your playsets of Monastery Swiftspear and Grim Lavamancer in it's place.
February 21, 2015 11:33 a.m.
How's day's undoing working? I've been feeling too lazy to test it out on my own :P
August 12, 2015 8:06 p.m.
Shouldn't there be Atarka's Command and Lightning Helix Mainboard?
January 4, 2016 6:54 p.m.
There's actually two Lightning Helix main board. There's a lot of aggro in Modern so it helps a lot to ensure game 1. As for Atarka's Command I have always felt the mana cost to be restrictive. Maybe with more fetches I'd feel differently but without zen fetches I never felt command to be that reliable when I need to cast it. Skullcrack is always ready to go when I need it.
Thanks for the comment!!
January 4, 2016 7:59 p.m. Edited.
Kor Firewalker is super awkward with nacatl... You can't do a t1 nacatl, t2 firewalker and you want to be able to land both of them as soon as possible. I'd drop one of them. Dragon's Claw is a good replacement for firewalker and you can revert to a more traditional RDW if you want to replace nacatl, but having both doesn't work well, especially since in the burn mirror you'll absolutely want nacatl cause it's bigger than anything they own and can kill opposing firewalkers. You'll be siding out eidolon in the mirror, so it's just not good to be stuck with both.
icehippo says... #1
In older builds that I have played in the past (Rakdos, Mono Red, Dega) I always ran 2-3 Shard Volley so i completely understand that losing the land is most of the time not a big deal and if it "ramps" into cruise sounds good to me. I'll test it out for awhile.
I do miss playing black in the deck, Bump in the Night is just so good and Rakdos Charm is one of the best sideboard options in burn. Despite all that Treasure Cruise allowing me to draw three cards when I need it most is even better. Cruise comes online at the time where you need an extra push to take out the opponent. I've run Magma Jet previously and absolutely loved the card for it scry ability but Cruise does it way better.
Cutting black out of the deck was not an easy decision. With Blackcleave Cliffs it's probably the easiest splash but after testing I realized that I didn't like playing four colors main board. White is the color I know I want, after that it was a tough choice.
Pre Khans I would have side Leyline of Sanctity all the way but now Delver is absolutely everywhere, with their own Cruises by the way, so Dragon's Claw helps against them a lot more than Leyline will. Burn is also super popular now so the Claw is really good there too.
November 5, 2014 12:32 a.m.