@puppyking86 A good point, but I am currently trying to figure out if I'm trying to be aggro or go in a more midrange direction. I will certainly consider it if I decide to go aggro.
November 17, 2015 1:54 p.m.
Hey, could you configure the CSS on the background image so it doesn't appear on mobile? It looks cool and all, but it causes pages to crash and slows things down way too much on mobile.
November 17, 2015 6:38 p.m.
@Nixin72 Absolutley!! I have been hearing about this problem everywhere. It may take me a few days, but I'll try to get the info needed. I hope it will allow you to take a close look at my deck! :)
November 17, 2015 8:55 p.m.
I've actually sent a message to yeago about this, because it's an issue I've been encountering more and more frequently recently. I've asked if its possible for certain CSS styles to be removed entirely when you're on a handheld media device or if there can be an option in your settings so that no CSS appears when you look at pages. It's increasingly becoming an issue and I hate asking people to go and edit their backgrounds, especially if someone else gave them the code and they don't actually know how to use the CSS.
November 17, 2015 9 p.m.
And thanks by the way- shoot me a message once you've fixed it up, either that, or I'll check out the deck once I have access to a computer. I'm curious about the deck, I love the idea of modern dega midrange build as its something that on paper looks very solid, but isn't particularly powerful when actually putting it in practice.
November 17, 2015 9:03 p.m.
No problem, and that is the exact problem I'm trying to fix with dega modern. I have a very specific issue currently with Falkenrath Aristocrat vs Butcher of the Horde. Anyway once you can let me know what you think!
November 17, 2015 9:06 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #8
@Mogis_Mtg: it is clear to me that Butcher of the Horde is better. It just is better in more situations and can help you stabilize better. That's my opinion.
November 17, 2015 9:19 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #9
@Mogis_Mtg: it is actually a matter of opinion. If you are going more aggro then I like the Falkenrath Aristocrat in which case you want to get rid of the slower cards for cards like Bloodsoaked Champion. If you are going more midrange then I like the Butcher of the Horde. I personally like the midrange version more but it is definitely a matter of opinion.
November 17, 2015 9:24 p.m.
@IzzetFanatic At this point I'm not sure which is better so I will have to try playtesting with both.
November 17, 2015 9:29 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #11
@Mogis_Mtg: the reason I like the midrange version better is mostly because I like Butcher of the Horde more then the Falkenrath Aristocrat because of the Butchers flexibility. Modern is a hyper aggro format right now and if you go the aggro version I fell like it will be just a little slow (when compared to decks like affinity and Infect) and with not enough end game capability. It will also be kind of like a all our speed matchup which is boring. I feel like the aggressive version is meant to be the beatdown deck in most matchups however in modern right now it will be the control (weather or not you play it like that) deck more often then not because it is not as fast as other decks.
The midrange version: This seems 100% better to me because the midrange deck will be able to stay alive in a lot of games and then just wreck in the midgame. Seems a lot more reliable to me. That is what I'd suggest.
November 17, 2015 9:45 p.m.
A very good point, thanks I really have been needing that.
November 17, 2015 9:56 p.m.
Falkenrath Aristocrat can run amazingly wel with 15 removal, 10-12 other creatures, 4 Falkenrath and the rest as flex slots. The fact that it dodges so much removal is very important to me since the only commonly played non Path to Exile removal it doesn't dodge is Dismember which also kills Butcher.
November 17, 2015 10:11 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #14
@kengiczar: the super aggro decks of mdrn dont have that much removal. Plus in the late-midgame that Butcher will hit the table, the other deck won't have that much influence over the game. So what if they kill it. I'll draw something else.
November 17, 2015 10:17 p.m.
I wasn't talking about Super Aggro decks. I was comparing the two in general but when it comes to super aggro decks both butcher and falkenrath are to slow to make an impact in most games.
November 17, 2015 10:47 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #16
@kengiczar: I disagree with you. If you do hit your Butcher early then you can gain some life back and stabilize. Other then that I agree with you.
November 18, 2015 6:26 p.m.
Wanna keep your steam?
Bob is a NO-GO in a deck with cmc 4>, and Modern right now is flooded with cheap responses to creatures like him. Damm, Forked Bolt counters Bob.
Painful is a new card, but her power is real: 3 cards for 3hp and cmc 3? Thats a fair deal.
You would be better with Abbot of Keral Keep, since most of your spells cost little, and you can sacrifice it later for Butcher.
November 23, 2015 2:04 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #18
@jsansoldo: I'm sure that Mogis_Mtg is grateful for your comment however his deck is highly competitive and cards like Painful Truths are not that good if you look at them with a critical and proactive mindset. The fact that you have to pay a full 3 types of mana to get full value out of it is less then impressive. If you are crunched for life, it is also rough to pay double of a single color.
As to the matter with Dark Confidant: Bob is incredible in decks like this. The card draw is insane and where Jund has the activate Scooze multiple times to stay alive or kill it using one of their own kill spells, this deck can just sac it to a sac engine to get extra value out of it (it can also kill it in dire straits). Bob is also a really good blocker that can take out some of the format's more aggro creatures.
As to the matter of Forked Bolt: Your reasoning is not sound. You say in your previous sentence that decks with high cmc are bad with Bob and I agree, however in the next sentence you say that an opponent would cast the bolt to kill Bob. First, this shows that you agree that Bob is good enough to be killed. Second, you had said that the life loss is too much. If I were the opponent with the bolt I would let Bob kill my opponent and just bolt their face.
As to the matter of Abbot of Keral Keep: You can sac Bob to the Butcher later too..? And Bob is giving you more long time value. Bob also helps you find answers to opponents threats better then Abbot and can help you find hand attack against control.
I hope I don't sound too scathing in this comment, it is not my intention. I just think that this suggestion is quite counterproductive and could be better used in a deck that is Standard. I am also sure that Mogis_Mtg is glad to have your opinion and will consider your ideas with lots of testing but from experience and my own opinion, I don't believe that what you think is valid right now. I'm sure that Mogis_Mtg would appreciate more advise so keep commenting. Peace out.
November 23, 2015 10:46 p.m.
Thanks IzzetFanatic, that pretty much sums up my thoughts. Anyway jsansoldo, thank you for the suggestion, however I do not believe that Painful Truths or Abbot of Keral Keep is competitive enough for my deck. Dark Confidant not only does what both of the cards do together in a single package, and does it better.
November 23, 2015 11:16 p.m.
After playtesting I agree, I'm working on a more control deck with Monastery Mentor.
December 7, 2015 10 a.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #22
@Mogis_Mtg: After extensive Playtesting, the midrange version seems to be a little more synergistic while the control version seems more reliable. I would go with 6 creatures. 2 Confidant and 4 Mentors. Then the rest hand disruption, kill, and 3 liliana and 1 agani vengent. The rest is just kill spells. Some versions run Batterscull too.
December 7, 2015 1:35 p.m.
Shryr_Distorted says... #23
What du you think about 3-4 Blackcleave Cliffs and dropping some shocks? 5 life turn one for Thoughtseize and a turn two Dark Confidant is painful even with playing Lightning Helix.
Also i think Young Pyromancer would fit into your build but i do not know what to drop for...
December 19, 2015 12:09 a.m.
Shryr_Distorted, I had tried the Young Pyromancer build, however I find a more controlling version, that includes Monastery Mentor is less clunky, because I can cast mentor, get creatures for having played non-creature spells, and these creatures get pumped. Instead the more aggressive version spends time playing creatures that are inevitably killed.
I will think about your advice with Dark Confidant, I'm not quite sure how many of him I should run, so I will playtest and get back to you. Blackcleave Cliffs might be useful, but I will probably only run 1-2.
December 19, 2015 10:24 a.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #25
I like 2 confidant man. Also lets get together over the break.
puppyking86 says... #1
I have found Monastery Swiftspear to be very effective in Mardu especially if you are finding that you are constantly short 1-3 damage from victory. I will say that my deck is more burned based than yours though.
November 17, 2015 1:17 p.m.