jesmister I think you are misunderstanding what format creation is on a fundamental level. When the community comes together and creates something new, that deserves to be shared. If it weren't for players taiing charge, we wouldn't have formats like commander or highlander. Those are player-based formats.

We have recieved hundreds of comments on this new idea, and never once has someone mentioned that this is something they have seen before. Different people from all over the world have never once said that this idea is something ingrained in all Magic players' minds.

You also seem to be misunderstanding that this isn't exactly a local format. We do online tournaments, as people from all over the world want to try this format. I don't even live in the same state as the progenitors of this format.

What right do you have, a random person who has little idea of how Magic operates, tell us that we can't share our idea? Despite obvious strikes to the contrary, you seem to think that we are getting in others' business, extoring people to play a format that everyone knows. And we aren't.

Even if WotC never notices our work, if Shelf never catches on, at least we tried. At least we made an effort, as everyday Magic players, to change how the game is played.

TheFoilAjani Lol you are very funny. Why don't you just make your own game if you want to do things like make formats. I am helping my friend Dustin who has been working on his card game Pantheon; nemesis of mortals for 12 years and it's coming together. But I'm not trying to make mew formats on a game that is already made... That's just dumb. Plus can you not come up with a better name than shelf? That's like making a format called table... Chair.. Light... Book... Bed... House.. Fan... Like really? And people have never heard of it before because they probably just joined magic or never really played standard back then. Or have never thought to play old standard decks because they don't think? This is not your game product and you cannot run magic tournaments without WotC unless those tournaments are not sanctioned... If that is the case that means you are just a bunch of random people playing random decks as casual play. So leave it at that casual play.

About the me being a random person thing... You are a random person with no right to start developing stuff for a company if you want to make a format go work for the Mtg R&D team.

jesmister

A few points.

1: The format is called Shelf because that's what people wanted it to be called. There were upwards of 15 suggestions for names, and the overwhelming majority of players thought that Shelf was the most appropriate.

2: People are going to play what they think is fun. The formats Wizards creates are fun, but that doesn't exclude people from enjoying something of their own creation. EDH (now commander) was originally a player-created format. Tiny Leaders was also invented by the playerbase. Even Cube, one of the most widely played (and greatly enjoyed, seriously Cube is awesome) forms of playing the game, was an idea from a player somewhere. It doesn't have to be a Wizards format to be good.

3: You say "unsanctioned" like it's a mental disorder. Seriously, are people not allowed to play this game for fun? So there are no prizes in the tournaments. You know what? Most people don't go to tournaments for the prize anyway. They go to play a game they enjoy against challenging opponents. Just because you aspire to be Mr. Pro with the $150k vintage deck that wins every tournament doesn't mean we aren't allowed to have some fun with a game we enjoy.

4: I actually have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here... If you dislike the idea, then don't participate. The chances of you convincing us to stop playing Shelf is literally zero. In fact, you are more likely, by telling us we're wrong and/or stupid, to make us unconsciously want to prove you wrong and continue playing this idea for a lot longer.

5: Most of the people you're arguing with are probably enjoying this (I know I am). Therefore, you're wasting your time. Unless your intention was to entertain us, or see what the flaws in the format were so we could improve them (which I find highly unlikely, going by your choice of arguments).

6: I'm rambling now. Anyways, feel free to respond to this with another poorly conceived jumble of self-righteous nonsense, or go find something better to do with your time. Vintage decks are expensive. Better get started.

jesmister

I think you're misunderstanding the point of the format. This is not a format where people play Caw blade against other people playing caw blade. This is playing past standard decks against standard decks from DIFFERENT STANDARD PERIODS.

Example: This season's standard Jeskai Black deck against Theros standard UW Control.

If you understand that, I have know idea what you are talking about, but I guess i'll answer your other points, though I have no idea why I care enough

About creating a format... Most of the normal formats from today were created by players. That is how games work. Shall I name some? EDH, Tiny Leaders, Pauper, CUBE

about the name - There's a specific reason for the name, and we all like it. If you read the post well enough before attacking the creators with bad points then you would have seen it.

So please go on your way and terrorize some other thread

So much troll. So much food for it. We should put up a no feeding sign xD

oh god this is quite the mess.

Hey guys try to keep the heat coming off these arguments as close to a kinda room temperature as possible lol. At a point, it starts to become overkill to continue arguing.

Hey y'all, I'll be posting results for he tourney soon, I've been pretty busy with school lately, so I can do it soon.

K cool, but I've been having finals and haven't been able to play AwesomeName yet. I'll try to work something out

@Ashockfan Yeah just message me when you're free. If you can do tonight that would be awesome because I have very little homework.

Cool but I don't have any deck ideas. could u give me any?

Pick a really cool card you really want to play, but isn't good in modern. Usually you will be able to do well with the deck you build.

@dragonkatanaslayer Time Spiral Standard has tons of interesting and unique decks. Here's an article I found from ten years ago that has some cool ones. Or, you can always play tribal. That is mainly Lorwyn Standard, but if you want some fun try Ninja/Samurai tribal using Kamigawa standard or maybe something from Innistrad such as werewolves, vampires, zombies, etc.

Oh, and Ashockfan, we still haven't played our match yet. When you can, try to message me.

I love the idea for this and am super excited to get going with it!! Check it! Rakdos Shelf

An addition to the banlist should be splinter Twin and treasure cruise

The idea with splinter twin and treasure cruise is, a lot of decks can deal with them. Twin isnt as broken as it is in modern. There is only deceiver to put it on. It has no other efficient creatures to run, and the cantrips and counterspells are at best mediocre, so the deck as a whole can be easily disrupted a lot easier than the modern version. As for treasure cruise, there isn't really a deck that comes to mind that can make it overly broken like rdw or ur delver. sure, there's ascendancy combo, but we're missing a ton of key cards to go off reliably, like glimmering wish and Fatestitcher. The ban list here is very, very complicated to figure out. A lot of the key card combos aren't in the same standards, so there is no reason to ban them, like ponder and preordain are strictly tied to their own standards, same with the two rituals, there is no viable storm deck to run. divining top isn't in the same standard as counterbalance, so miracles is off the table, jitte has no stoneforge, and sword of the meek has no thopter foundry, so the ban list has to affect the format as a whole, single cards that break the format as a whole.

The new draft combo is possibly shelf viable- there's enough support and the format isn't refined enough anyway. I might throw one together later

It could be viable, but not broken

I think what we need to do is get rid of the ban list as a whole until we get to the point where we have played enough games to make educated decisions. Anything we do at this point, however sure we are, is still only conjecture.

Elmeris- Great! love getting new people who are excited about the format.

One problem you are going to have to deal with is newer shelf decks having to stick to fewer blocks. If I build return to ravnica, I could essentially have Return to Ravnica, Gatecrash, Dragon's Maze, M15 or M14 depending on what i choose, Theros, Journey into Nyx, and Born of the Gods. But if I am playing, say, the newest standard set, because of the new standard rules I am limited to two sets

Check out my BG Innistrad-Ravnica Aggro shelf deck! Innistrad-Ravnica BG Aggro Shelf - NEW FORMAT

That is true. But hopefully there'll be better cards ;)

thestrauch Haha looks like great minds think alike! Rakdos/Innistrad Shelf ;) we all know that that time period was the most fun block ever!

Actually, Standard is three blocks for the new sets, not two. For example, when Shadows over Innistrad comes out, the format will be DtK+Ori, BfZ+OGW, and SoI.

I don't see the problem of new standards with fewer cards as being a problem. First of all, sets vary in power level based on many things, one of those things is the # of cards in the pool, but the power level is in no way solely based on that. Second, even if new standards aren't as powerful, there will always be some that are the exception to a rule, and just as it's foolish to think that every set will have a modern viable card, it's foolish to think that every standard will have a shelf viable deck.