dreamaddict says... #2
OK, I am stupid about this: why use Eidolon of the Great Revel in a deck where every spell you cast hurts you? Doesn't he go in slower decks?
August 21, 2014 5:49 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #3
@dreamaddict don't worry, a lot of people have had a hard time understanding why the card is soo good in the deck. This is the best way I can explain it, he is free burn cards in your deck. Say you cast 4 Lightning Bolt s after you play Eidolon of the Great Revel . Thats 12 damage you have done to the opponent and 8 you have done to yourself. If your opponent has cast 2 spells that are cmc3 or less in that same time span, they have taken another 4 damage...thats 16 total damage. If one of your creatures gets in for a mere 2 damage, that's 18 damage to your opponent and only 8 you've taken from Eidolon. Most spells in Modern are cmc3 or less, so you are usually netting 4-6 damage from your Eidolon's.
Eidolon of the Great Revel is the best card in the deck. Old burn before it got printed needed 7 dpells at 3 damage to end a game, with Eidolon, it's somewhere in the 4-6 range. The card has made modern burn/RDW a powerful deck in modern. You need 4 of in the deck without question!
August 21, 2014 6:38 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #4
...how can this deck have gone undefeated at FNM on August 16th(ish) when it's clearly a Modern deck? I am confoozed.
August 21, 2014 7:30 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #6
@canterlotguardian um, there was a modern event at my lgs for that friday night??? Not every store ONLY runs standard FNMs...Wizards allows standard, draft, modern, sealed, and block events at FNMs worldwide. I know some stores do "modern mondays" but thats actually a store thing, not a Wizards thing.
August 21, 2014 8:13 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #7
@quesobueno123 thanks for the +1! Red players gotta stick together and help each other out!
August 21, 2014 8:15 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #9
Oh I have never heard of an FNM being anything but Standard format. My bad. >\<
August 22, 2014 12:25 a.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #10
S'ok, lots of FNMs do different things. My LGS has modern FNM every other week when it's not a super FNM.
August 22, 2014 1:14 a.m.
ZombieswithJetpacks says... #11
Eidolon OP. I tested my tron control deck against yours, game 1 got mana screwed, game 2 got karn out turn 3, but at that point was facing down 2 guides and an edolon and it was just to much. You quickly won the game with burn spells and my fear to counter anything not wanting to burning myself (not to mention I no longer felt safe using my Dismembers), making removal hard. Molten rain had me scared testing against your deck but surprisingly didn't show up. Very powerful RDW, +1
August 23, 2014 8:22 p.m.
this is similar to my list, i just got into modern. dont know the format well, i play burn in standard though. cool list got a +1 from me. check out my lis Put a Torch to it
August 24, 2014 6:11 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #14
How has Molten Rain panned out for you in various matchups? I noted you don't side Blood Moon . And have you considered Anger of the Gods ?
I play RDW avidly. I'm considering both of the aforementioned cards.
August 24, 2014 10:25 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #15
Molten Rain is sweet, especially game 1 on the play. It can keep them off a color and then game 2 knowing it is in the deck makes them think harder about keeping a hand even if you sided it out. Blood Moon doesn't deal damage, so I don't have room for it in my list. I can win on turn 3 so I would rather not thin the deck of burn spells. Samething with Anger of the Gods , just not what I want to be doing.
August 24, 2014 10:30 p.m.
damtgmaster says... #16
What about splashing black for Bump in the Night add 4 Blackcleave Cliffs and 4 Blood Crypt
August 24, 2014 10:40 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #17
I wish I had room...Everything that isn't a Lightning Bolt (3 damage) in the deck is there for a specific reason. Not looking to ever take damage off of lands either because of Eidolon of the Great Revel .
I have an updated list that I'm running that I will be posting soon, giving the deck a bit more flash.
August 24, 2014 10:49 p.m.
theGentlemanSeal says... #19
You lose life every time you play a spell. Why?!? Am I being stupid and missing something or is it just that every time you play a spell you take damage because of your own creature?
September 3, 2014 9:59 p.m.
theGentlemanSeal says... #20
Btw, I saw your explanation but to me it just seemed like you were taking 8 extra damage for no reason :/
September 3, 2014 10:09 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #21
The 8 damage comes from Eidolon of the Great Revel . I was responding to people asking why he is played in this deck. He does 2 damage to any player that plays a spell that costs 3 or less. So 4 Lightning Bolt s would equal 8 damage done to me, because of Eidolon, and 12 done to them.
September 3, 2014 11:14 p.m.
Have you considered splashing white for Boros Charm/post-board stuff? As bad as it is to take an extra few points of damage from fetches/shocks, I'd rather not have to scoop to turn 1 Leyline of Sanctity for games 2 and 3 lol.
September 3, 2014 11:27 p.m.
actually Lightning Helix is in this format/better than Boros Charm
my bad
September 3, 2014 11:28 p.m.
DeletedNow4ever says... #24
There is enough resiliency against Leyline of Sanctity that I dont feel a splash is necessary. Eidolon of the Great Revel s ability doesn't target, neither does Molten Rain , Searing Blood , Cryoclasm , or Peak Eruption . The only decks that really play it are the two decks that give you a hard and almost unwinnable matchup anyway. Not worth hurting myself for in my opinion.
September 4, 2014 11:34 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #25
I'm curious as to why you run Mogg Fanatic and the Berserker instead of Vexing Devil and Keldon Marauders respectively. It seems like the K.Mauraders would fill both the Mogg's role and the Berserker's role by themselves, albeit for only a turn or 2. The devil is bonkers in multiples, and the people at my lgs groan now when they see him. He really doesn't have a downside, as your opponents now have less removal for your other creatures. I'd even go as far as to say that V.Devil is better in a RDW than in a straight burn deck.
DeletedNow4ever says... #1
@atgarnett I've played the deck with fetches and more Grim Lavamancer s. I like this version better. He has Mogg Fanatic to feed on plus Hellspark Elemental which will be finding his way into the deck as targets. I'm only playing 2 copies and he has been nothing but excellent for me. As I've stated before, having no fetches is a direct result of Eidolon of the Great Revel . You don't have to play fetches to get his benefit, it does make him a lot of fuel, but it isn't necessary. My winning percentage with fetches vs without can atest to that. This deck is more or less tuned. On MTGO I win a lot of matches I lost before. Pillar of Flame is something I feel will catch on over time as it can be a blow out when decks are trying to stall. Grim Lavamancer is fine in this deck, Mogg Fanatic means they are taking 3 damage when he's used to feed lavamancer vs losing a life and doing 2 with fetches. Sometimes we have to move past preconceived notions and the norm and just try something new. Playtest it, you may like what you see.
August 21, 2014 5:40 p.m.