Nobody has the intention of building a Wall
Commander / EDH
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bagelheart says... #2
Excellent deck my dude. The only substitutions I'd suggest is Wave of Reckoning with Dusk // Dawn. It's a cheaper but a different kind of boardwipe that can work as a recursion as well (but not as good at wiping little token guys). Even cheaper boardwipe you could consider is Retribution of the Meek or Slaughter the Strong since your ramp is low (which is okay, since your cmc is low). I'm also not sure about Rolling Stones since walls don't really need to attack with Doran-esque effect on board already. I'd just replace with Cyclonic Rift lol
June 27, 2018 2:30 p.m.
bagelheart Thank you for your comment! I have chosen Wave of Reckoning over Dusk / Dawn because I face a lot of decks with 1/1 and 2/2 tokens. Rolling Stones is here as a Plan B when the Commander gets too much hate, together with Assault Formation. I know it's somewhat janky
June 27, 2018 2:52 p.m.
Mornignman says... #4
Have you thought about adding Pang Tong, "Young Phoenix" to this deck. I just love P3K cards and I like to jam them in when I can
June 27, 2018 7:30 p.m.
Wouldn't Freed from the Real be an incredible addition in order to produce unlimited mana with Axebane Guardian? I've been toying with building such deck as this as well, and the idea of loads of mana seems cool if you can find some outs
June 28, 2018 5:24 a.m.
Mornignman Pang Tong, "Young Phoenix" targets only one creature, therefore it would fit better in a Voltron Deck. But if you like it you should play it!
Annexus Freed from the Real is already mentioned in the "Other Cards" Tab in the primer, together with two other cards which do the same. Thanks for mentioning though!
June 28, 2018 12:32 p.m.
AlphaAuthority says... #7
I see a lot of room for improvement, I'll suggest some. Isochron Scepter Aura Shards Cathedral Membrane Hornet Nest Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch Shield Sphere Stalwart Shield-Bearers Thing in the Ice Flip Wall of Mulch Mother of Runes Wall of Hope Lurking Predators
June 28, 2018 2:39 p.m.
Zacheria10 says... #8
I have a question as to your include of Wall of Forgotten Pharaohs, since you happen to be running no Deserts to turn on it's ping ability
June 28, 2018 3:43 p.m.
AlphaAuthority Thank you for your suggestions. Isochron Scepter would be a good addition. I have yet to playtest more and see what to take out for it. I mentioned Aura Shards in the "Other Cards" Tab as a good addition. I have to see how my meta evolves and if I will finally add it to the deck. Hornet Nest and Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch are too slow in my opinion and I would rather attack than block and would not get that much value/ it's very situational in my opinion. Shield Sphere and Stalwart Shield-Bearers are already in the deck. I think Thing in the Ice Flip is a great card but you can't control the flip very well. If I'd be in a situation to decide wether or not to counter a spell that's threatening the boardstate just because I would transform Thing in the Ice Flip that would be awful. 1W for Wall of Hope is not bad but I have better 1-drops with better effects than getting a bit life. Lurking Predators is too expensive cmc-wise and Mother of Runes can be good but I don't know yet what to scrap for her.
Zacheria10 You don't need the ability, Wall of Forgotten Pharaohs is a "4/4" for two colorless mana and you don't need mana-fix and can play it very early.
June 28, 2018 4:27 p.m. Edited.
Hey there! I totally missed that bit, must've replied without seeing that one. On that note: in EDH, the so called 'tuck rule' isn't actually a thing anymore, there's been a rule change for this, so that commanders can be placed in the command zone by the owner of that commander. Bant Charm thus lost that unfortunately. Anyhow, keep up the updates, looking forward to seeing more :)
June 28, 2018 5:06 p.m.
Annexus Thanks for bringing this to my attention. The rules change is from March 2015 I totally overlooked this ^^' Thank you for the heads up!
June 29, 2018 9:33 a.m.
PhineasMTGMaster says... #12
there isnt alot of mana in this deck how do you pay for the cards?
June 29, 2018 11:44 a.m.
PhineasMTGMaster Due to the low average cmc I haven't misses any mana rocks yet. Card draw from Arcades also helps a lot.
June 29, 2018 12:45 p.m.
See, you say budget, but TCG is pricing it at 200 before Arcades is even factored in. I've got the same thing for around 50.
June 30, 2018 9:13 a.m.
Buufreak Well for me 200$ is kinda budget. I think everybody has his own idea of the value to consider a deck "budget". You can take out Mana Drain as it is listed as ~68$ alone. Additionally the cards in the US seem way more expensive than in Europe. I've paid around 100€ for everything here which corresponds to about 116 $. Also cheaper decks often lack speed or consistency because the cards have either higher cmc or slower abilities.
June 30, 2018 9:40 a.m.
And that's entirely true, it is a variance of milage. And I also understand that for a format like EDH, about 100 is considered a budget cost. I'm just a cheap bastard.
June 30, 2018 1:14 p.m.
Add Pemmin's Aura for infinite Mana with Axebane Guardian.
July 1, 2018 2:55 p.m.
Drift of Phantasms? It's a flying wall that can also tutor for other 3 drops
July 1, 2018 7:27 p.m.
Would suggest Sylvan Reclamation instead of Disenchant since all the gods and indestructible stuff exists. Also it's a great mana fixer, and a better card than Return to Dust which was just about the top of artifact/enchantment removal before.
July 2, 2018 2:21 a.m.
Storm525 Could be a good substitute for Wall of Air, but I haven't anything tutor worthy for 3 cmc, maybe Masako the Humorless. I'll see if i can get my hands on one, thank you!
wraya2 This is already mentioned under the "Other Cards" tab together with 2 other cards that do the same, but thank you anyways.
rewwer That's a good suggestion, as I recently encountered some of those gods like Xenagos. I'll try it, thank you!
July 2, 2018 2:55 a.m.
ok please tell me why no wakestone gargoyle ? wakestone gargoyle has to be in this deck ? i am dead serious
July 2, 2018 8:37 p.m.
InfinityMinusOne says... #22
Take what I say with a grain of salt because I haven't tested out my list irl. Going to throw Cloudstone Curio, Gatecreeper Vine, Wall of Roots, and Sacred Rites out there as potential considerations.
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Curio can get you some insane card draw/ETB value. Basically if you have enough mana at your disposal and no one is stopping you, you can pay 1-2 mana to play a wall, draw, bounce another wall, and repeat as often as you'd like. Your list has Shield Sphere, so things can get even more stupid.
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Vine looks fairly mediocre at first because the land it gets has to be a Gate and the body is just an 0/2, but at the same time there's very little risk in running it because it is bound to replace itself one way or another. Either it's early-game fixing, or mid-to-late game card advantage.
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Roots are just a good ramp option. At worst it's a Murmuring Phantasm (which you already run) that has a solid upside.
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Sacred Rites is just a gimmicky card that I'd love to try out. Much more risky than Bar the Door and Tower Defense, but my thought process is that you're likely going to be drawing a lot of cards anyways, and if you're swinging for lethal then there's a good chance that discarding 5-6 cards will be worth it. A CMC of 1 is always convenient too, unless your group happens to play Mental Misstep.
July 2, 2018 9:47 p.m.
mikeb388For the same reason I cut Rolling Stones off the list. It isn't good enough on its own, because most defenders have 0 power and you have to have Assault Formation on the battlefield. But Assault Formation also gives your defenders the ability to attack, so most of the time it's a dead card, sadly.
Thank you very much for your suggestions InfinityMinusOne. Your cards gave me a lot of good ideas where to go with/evolve the deck. We could even develop this further by adding Panharmonicon and Laboratory Maniac as an alternative wincon. Be assured I will certainly try this. Furthermore I will add Wall of Roots as a substitute for Murmuring Phantasm when I get my hands on one. I really like the idea with Sacred Rites, it could also also be used together with Bar the Door etc. for that final blow. Would also be excellent with the suggestions above. I think I'm the only one I know playing Mental Misstep in my Azami deck. Never seen it anywhere else
July 3, 2018 10:57 a.m.
InfinityMinusOne Just counted the defenders and 6 of them are artifact creatures including Shield Sphere. So it wont work with Cloudstone Curio and therefore it wouldn't be "that" efficient. Should be tested though, maybe it's enough to get a good flow.
July 3, 2018 11:12 a.m.
InfinityMinusOne says... #25
K4m4r0 You're absolutely right. I forgot that Curio couldn't target artifact permanents, so it isn't quite as dumb as I thought it would be. That being said I still think it merits a spot and can get out of hand very easily.
Other cards I thought of for utility's sake are Mnemonic Wall and Ghostly Flicker. The former is fairly expensive mana-wise but grants you some much-needed recursion for instants and sorceries. the latter is just straight value in this deck. At worst it's going to be an instant-speed Divination and at best it's a card that protects Arcades from removal and can go infinite with Mnemonic Wall given the according amount of mana.
That's all I got for now. Glad I could help!
K4m4r0 says... #1
Darkshadow327 Have my upvote :)
rewwer That's a great card I wasn't aware of. I'll test it, thank you.
June 27, 2018 4:05 a.m.