Naya Midrange - Dragons Tribal

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epikurus says... #2

Played a game where I got to flip a Hooded Hydra on turn 3. Hahaha.

March 30, 2015 11:53 p.m.

zzzzsman says... #3

in my morph deck i run 3 Grim Haruspex, perhaps you should cut a Qarsi High Priest for another. Grim are able to trade up slightly more

March 31, 2015 12:11 a.m.

zzzzsman says... #4

Drown in Sorrow really can wreck you, what's your contingency plan? and why the crux in the board?

March 31, 2015 12:15 a.m.

zzzzsman says... #5

Ghostfire Blade really tips the aggro matchups in your favor. the Collected Company seems high risk. maybe try testing Obscuring AEther instead. and link to my morph deck Mighty Morphs

March 31, 2015 12:20 a.m.

epikurus says... #6

Ghostfire Blade would be a nice drop on turn 1, but it's less exciting when you manifest it. It was a hard choice to cut it. It may make its way back if I'm losing the ground game a lot, but I don't think I will be.

Collected Company is a scary card that lets me search for two Deathmist Raptor at instant speed. It is also my primary target for a Den Protector flip.

March 31, 2015 12:08 p.m.

epikurus says... #7

Drown in Sorrow is a real problem. Maybe Secret Plans, but where?

Crux of Fate in the side are for the big fliers everyone wants to beat me down with. Also it interacts with Whisperwood Elemental to reset my manifests and clear theirs. Who cares if Hooded Hydra or Deathmist Raptor die in the process?

March 31, 2015 12:29 p.m.

epikurus says... #8

I really like Grim Haruspex and he's the first card back in if Qarsi High Priest fails it's test on 4/3/15.

March 31, 2015 12:34 p.m.

zzzzsman says... #9

Secret Plans will fix your problems. they side out Bile Blight and bring in the Drown in Sorrows. Secret Plans takes care of it handily, plus Wild Slash will be less a threat. To get the blue for it you could try Rattleclaw Mystic replacing the Abzan Falconer, the Secret Plans would replace Collected Company. have you tested the Collected Company yet? I would prefer the Dromoka's Command instead.

March 31, 2015 3:40 p.m.

epikurus says... #10

It's really good. It's been worth it every time. it almost always hits a raptor or two.

March 31, 2015 4:32 p.m.

epikurus says... #11

Maybe we need to talk about making this 4 colors?

March 31, 2015 4:33 p.m.

zzzzsman says... #12

the white main board is light enough that you could change to sultai quite easily. 4color is possible, but the mana can be dangerous

March 31, 2015 4:44 p.m.

epikurus says... #13

The white power ranger is too key to cut white out. Probably better to just add more Grim Haruspex to make board clear less attractive of an option.

March 31, 2015 6 p.m.

epikurus says... #14

If it were sultai, it would look like this: The Table Flip Effect (if it were sultai). It doesn't feel any stronger too me.

March 31, 2015 6:19 p.m.

NOGzFTW says... #15

Woundnt this be better in simic or bant

March 31, 2015 6:35 p.m.

epikurus says... #16

The black makes this deck more adaptable. It offers early game options, where no other color does. I attempted a bant version, but it just doesn't manifest cards early enough. The reason this works in Abzan is because the black/white ranger gives you the complete range of destroy creature options. Green offers the best recursion, consistency, and bombs. I have seen a solid simic version using Sagu Mauler, but that is more of a linear strategy. Abzan gives us the full suite of options necessary to deal with a variety of threats. The bant version is here: **BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED**

March 31, 2015 9:21 p.m.

epikurus says... #17

At least black seems to help with aggro. The test is at this FNM. I very well may try the sultai or bant versions I've developed in subsequent weeks.

March 31, 2015 9:36 p.m.

zzzzsman says... #18

a weaker version of my sultai morph deck got third at my FNM. perhaps you could try out some of what i did. my deck has much more mana efficient spells. Mighty Morphs

March 31, 2015 9:39 p.m.

epikurus says... #19

I've had my eye on your deck long before you posted in here zzzzsman. I think we have dramatically different ideas about how useful bluffing can be with this style of play. Also, this deck is designed to manifest all the evasion/removal/bombs you can need, whereas you rely on morphing them.

March 31, 2015 9:47 p.m.

zzzzsman says... #20

in my games vs control decks turned into the control player having to kill/counter each morph as soon as i cast them in order to prevent me from gaining significant value from cards like Secret Plans or rather fearing a Sagu Mauler / Hooded Hydra. The Ghostfire Blade also turned everything into a must answer threat for very little mana. I linked the deck in the chat for the benefit of anyone else reading the discussion.

March 31, 2015 10:01 p.m.

epikurus says... #21

I see. That's interesting that you were able to bait counters with your morphs. The reason I chose not to run Ghostfire Blade may not be a good one, but I'll let you decide. It can't trade with an opponent's card, itself. In this deck, I see it as a "win more" card that doesn't necessarily contribute to the board or your card advantage.

I think the Abzan version of morph+manifest is better served by multiplying the options available to you in your plays, since it doesn't have blue to lean on for disruption. It needs to stay mobile and not invest too much in any one resource, so it can bounce back from removal+sweepers. Broad threats, rather than deep threats.

Also, I'm much more concerned with the black control package in standard than the blue one. If I can help it, I'd rather not offer them any targets for their counters. When we make their blue defense strategy into dead cards, we make them flip the table. Lol.

One more thing on increasing the size of my threats with Ghostfire Blade. It's a good idea in theory, but it requires putting more cards in the deck that cannot be efficient when manifested. I think Trail of Mystery does enough while also helping out our manifest strategy.

The Abzan version I have here has the luxury of relying on the evasion package that the black+green power rangers offer to leverage the smaller threats until I can build the pressure with Deathmist Raptors and Hooded Hydras. As a result, they are still likely to draw the same answers they would have if they were +2/+2. If I were to run bant, I would be much more likely to consider the blade to maximize the green ranger's evasion.

March 31, 2015 11:07 p.m.

epikurus says... #22

You know, I changed my mind about Mastery of the Unseen after writing my response to you. I think it is the best reason for manifest+morph to run white and I've made room for 3. I also cut out Collected Company in favor of more card draw through Grim Haruspex.

April 1, 2015 12:07 a.m.

One thing to note is the fact that when things rotate, we won't have khans anymore, it will be fate+dragons+zendikar+ other stuff once they are released

April 1, 2015 12:49 a.m.

epikurus says... #24

Thanks for the info. Where can I read about that?

April 1, 2015 10:55 a.m.

epikurus says... #25

I looked into what you wrote Antonius_Cleus and it seems you are not quite right. There is still one final core set (origins I think), so that throws your math off. After Theros block and m15 rotate out together, kahns and fate reforged will rotate out together, then dragons and origins together.

April 1, 2015 11:20 a.m.

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