scottemery says... #10
Generally, yes the sage is a lot better. But in this case I have 1 sliver MB and 1 SB, this means that in an affinity or bogles match up I can get a stacked effect for artifact/enchantment removal. As when the 2nd sliver enters it can destroy 2 targets.
April 13, 2015 3:46 p.m.
Are you sure that it stacks like that? To me, I always thought it was just when THIS creature enters rather than whenever A sliver enters.
April 13, 2015 5:59 p.m.
It means that the sliver has the text twice so it says
Destroy an enchantment/ artifact
Destroy an enchantment/ artifact
scottemery I really think that blood artist over redcap is the right call as it can be hit with collected, and often isn't needed, most decks can't come back from infinite life. And second with info scry, the right card is often chord, and having you infinite damage at 2 instead of 4 means a bit.
Also 3 eternal witness is working amazing for me, I would drop the fauna shaman for another one at least, and also the BGH for another, the value from witness is incredible. I would try that and go from there.
April 13, 2015 6:57 p.m.
@Kyresh - Harmonic Sliver does not stack. Otherwise every time you play any sliver you would have to destroy an amount of enchantments / artifacts equal to the amount of slivers you control. That would include your artifacts and enchantments because it does not say may. You only destroy 1 artifact or enchantment each time it comes into play, not an amount equal to the amount of slivers you control. Reclamation Sage is strictly better than Harmonic Sliver due to being easier to cast color wise and having a higher power. Unless of course you're playing a sliver deck.
April 14, 2015 10:14 a.m.
Disregard my previous comment. It does stack but only if you cast multiple Harmonic Slivers, other slivers will not trigger multiple instances. Just looked it up. The more you learn!
April 14, 2015 10:16 a.m.
scottemery says... #15
Kyresh: Unless im giving up a substantial number of slots - which I dont have, the liklihood of comboing and hitting a blood artist with collected company is small. As you know, im unwilling to build the deck without a staight "I win" card, for twin is potent and I dont do draws.
'Info scry'?
Im happy paying 4 so long as I can still combo with 3 cards, not 4. Generally speaking, chording for 4 isnt a huge issue, with the consistent number of creatures on the field. Blood Artist is a dead card without the combo, redcap is always value.
On the witness front, I agree with you. Just not so sure if BGH is the card to take out.
April 14, 2015 2:07 p.m.
I get you argument about blood artist.
What I meant about company is that it does get you a creature. Now I have been gold fishing it in paper, the randomness of top 6 is clear and you want as many hits as you can. I also understand that blood artist is worse on its own, but I think that that cost us worth the cmc.
*infinite scry (stupid auto correct)
Also I don't get what you are saying about the problem of the four card combo, so often the decks gets the combo with seer and finks with almost no tutoring. The majority of the time when I play tested and was playing redcap I found it after I got the original combo going. Making it just as much of a 4th card as blood artist. Also if an opponent tries to disrupt the combo they won't kill finks because that is the most common piece, they will kill either then enabler or the sac outlet. This mean that your rug meant for dodging removal by keeping the combo at three cards is wrong.
April 14, 2015 2:57 p.m.
Exiled_soul says... #17
Really liking the concept. I might build one that is more dedicate to the combo as I enjoy combos more than beat down. Aka, more melira, more tutor etc. Thanks for the inspiration! +1
April 15, 2015 1:53 a.m.
Having Murderous Redcap as your only damage condition seems very vulnerable to me. Infinite life is great against a lot of decks, but Twin can just infinite you back. Additionally, the Redcap has to hit the graveyard for the combo to go off, meaning its very vulnerable to Surgical Extraction or Extirpate, as opposed to Scapeshift or Splinter Twin, which by the time they enter the graveyard, you've already won.
Also, its not the first Collected Company combo deck on tappedout. It is the first one on the top list using both Collected Company and Congregation at Dawn, but since Collected Company can't actually hit all of your combo pieces, it's no more a "Collected Company" combo deck than Persistent Abzan (Turn 3 Win) by Cobra.
April 15, 2015 3:57 p.m.
scottemery says... #19
Kyresh: Yes, I totally understand what you're saying but in reality, given that the top 6 is 'random'- as you say - and that the only way to decrease the randomness is to up the number of potential hits, would you not agree that it is as easy to get a redcap into play as it is to get Blood Artist?
The only real comparison worth analysing is whether the 2 mana for a situational, combo-only card is better value than the 4 mana expensive, un-collectable but always value card. It is a hard one. Maybe both?
April 16, 2015 3:55 a.m.
scottemery says... #20
Also, yeah it is pretty easy to get 2 combo pieces, often 3, but my issue is not finding all the pieces, it is keeping all the pieces alive and clearly making the 'kill' combo a 4 card combo makes it even more vulnerable to removal. But the 2nd point you make is fair enough, they will always go for melira or anafenza as viscera seer is cheap, the aristocrat defends itself and it is comoon knowledge that we'd be running a playset. I'm edging more your way...
Exiled_soul: Thanks for the comment man! Before settling on this as the best build for the meta I did infact design a full on BG Combo orientated version of the deck. It was fun yes but not as reliable as this build and furthermore it is highly uncommon for us not to be able to get a/the combo online in this build, what with the number of chords and congregation.
JLenzen: I agree with you on the infinite life front; it is exactly because of Twin that I play redcap at all. But then again, twin is an O.K matchup anyway. The two stated cards see very little to no play at all right now, thus they do not bother me.
On the statement front, I did see said deck, but it is an interesting deck but a completely different deck all together. The statement in question was in regards to the now Modern Archetype called simply 'Collected Company' on mtgdecks.com, which is clearly akin to this deck. Nonetheless I will revise the statement. Thanks for bringing it up.
April 16, 2015 4:37 a.m.
scottemery says... #21
If you are on a computer you can right click and select 'inspect element'. This will shows you what you need for the button, just copy and paste it into your description.
April 17, 2015 1:02 p.m.
Exiled_soul says... #23
"420.5n If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it."
Straight from the rule book so yes +1/+1 counters remove -1/-1 counters.
scottemery says... #1
Will reply to the above comments later but we can discuss the deck at yours tomorrow yeah?
April 6, 2015 6:09 a.m.