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Modern Nef

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Edit- It allows you to keep one on top that is useful

April 21, 2015 7:56 p.m.

Nef says... #2

Yeah I am wavering between the two but form past experiences I usually only want one of the cards tbh.
It's definitely preference though.

Thanks btw :) Screw the meta.

April 21, 2015 8:02 p.m.

Chino90 says... #3

The theme reminds me of the reddit post "kanye sleeping, kanye rest". You should look it Up. It's hilarious.Nice deck!

April 22, 2015 9:52 a.m.

Nef says... #4

Thanks!

April 22, 2015 10:32 a.m.

gbnoliveira says... #5

I like Anticipate, but Serum Visions is just really better. I would honestly run a full playset.

By the way, really nice deck. +1

April 22, 2015 10:57 p.m.

Nef says... #6

Thanks gbnoliveira but a key part of Anticipate is that it is instant speed. In a combo deck that can mean a lot. We need to make sure that we can protect our scepter at all times.

April 22, 2015 10:58 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #7

Serum Visions IS better.

April 22, 2015 10:59 p.m.

Nef says... #8

I can do some testing with Serum Visions in for sure though.

April 22, 2015 11 p.m.

gbnoliveira says... #9

I understand the instant speed may be tempting. And as a matter of fact, it is better for combo decks than a sorcery speed spell.

However, one mana is a huge difference, not to mention you can generally fix your next draw, something you can't do with anticipate.

April 22, 2015 11:03 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #10

You'll have to get rid of Angelsong. Serum Visions is one of those cards that you MUST have as a 4 of.

April 22, 2015 11:03 p.m.

gbnoliveira says... #11

I like the cycling. I would replace 1 Ethereal Haze and 1 Holy Day.

April 22, 2015 11:05 p.m.

Nef says... #12

Ethereal haze is better than holy day so i would drop 2 holy day

April 22, 2015 11:07 p.m.

Drkpaw says... #13

I agree with Ethereal over Holy, but for draw cards I still recommend draw effects with Font of Mythos + Howling Mine + Reliquary Tower

Now I love Serum Visions, but I find it more suited for digging for needed win combo pieces. Great in my twin deck.

Now the extra draw with turbo fog helps stack your fog effects in your hand instead of burying them while looking for an Isochron. Then after you have Silence on upkeep and a fog via Isochron or just the crap ton in your hand, you build toward your win or use the extra draws they are throwing away for a fast paced 3rd win mill strat with Jace.

Local meta a guy plays a deck that gives him infinite life and scry, so the draw method works better incase you guys run into anything like that.

April 23, 2015 12:28 p.m.

Nef says... #14

Yeah I like the idea of Howling Mine.

April 23, 2015 12:33 p.m.

Drkpaw says... #15

Have been thinking sideboard quite a bit as of late.

The core that I see shouldn't be changed would be Nevermore + Leyline of Sanctity

Path of Exile almost made the core list but I have been wondering if Oblivion Ring or Detention Sphere would be better as it can target any non land, can remove multiple cards with one spell (Detention Sphere), doesn't give our opponents land.. not sure if that last one matters to much.

Next since Leyline takes care of burn hopefully life won't be to much of an issue and the Kor Firewalkers can be let go.

If using Oblivion or Detention, those can target artifacts and enchantments so Dispeller's Capsule can be let go, opening up room for some counters.

My favorite depending on number used. If going with 4 Rune Snag Any less Negate

Also threw in an extra Jace to back up the 3rd win condition.

If you want to check out the sideboard idea I've been messing with it on 200 year old Monk

Thank you!

April 24, 2015 12:30 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #16

Don't run Leyline of Sanctity alone against burn. It doesn't work anymore. It must be paired with something else.

Angel's Grace should help you against burn actually. Other than that, you are screwed.

And can people stop putting things that aren't infinite combos/locks in the combase, it's getting really irritating ...

April 24, 2015 1:40 p.m.

Nef says... #17

Umm there is a hub for infinite combo is there not?

April 24, 2015 1:44 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #18

The combase has no hubs.

April 24, 2015 1:47 p.m.

Nef says... #19

alright then i've got no idea what you're talking about then :P

April 24, 2015 1:52 p.m.

Drkpaw says... #20

We have alot against burn. Silence, Leyline, and Muddle.

Leyline is just really nice to have to build to the other protection.

Oh yea and Dawn Charm.

Lots of prevention.

April 24, 2015 2 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #21

Not enough Drkpaw. Silence just stalls the inevitable and you'll only have one muddle in hand at any given time. You have to remember that he is stalling the game out for as long as possible, which means the burn player gets LOTS of time to refuel. In order to beat burn you need to stabilize a constant stream of lifegain. Which is why I suggested Basilisk Collar before, because it grants you that life. Then again, it probably won't have much use since Luminarch Ascension isn't going to be getting counters against a burn deck anytime soon.

Oh, and don't forget, this deck folds to an Eidolon of the Great Revel.

April 24, 2015 2:40 p.m.

Drkpaw says... #22

I don't see how and Ethereal Haze + Isochron Scepter + Silence Isn't enough? With a Leyline out and Faith shield to protect it.

Ethereal haze beats Eidolon as it prevents all damage done by creatures including Eidolon's burn ability.

April 24, 2015 3:15 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #23

First of all, can you stop putting stuff into the combase that doesn't belong? The combase is meant PURELY for infinite combos or guaranteed locks.

Next, you can't guarantee that you're going to get Isochron Scepter out. Additionall, the opponent can cast Destructive Revelry AND their other burn spells in response to any Silence shenanigans.

April 24, 2015 3:37 p.m.

Drkpaw says... #24

Very true but that is the nature of magic. They can try to do that and hopefully there is a response with the initial deck set up or sideboard.

So with any play set having a 39.9% chance of being in opening hand I have yet gone below 4 cards to guarantee either an Isochron but more importantly Leyline in opening hand vs play tests against burn.

So the primary target Destructive Revelry would have to be leyline for a pop burn to win. Now with just straight burn given 3 damage per mana with Revelry that's a total of 8 mana needed and a total of 7 spells including Revelry. Their whole hand, and anything for burn draw would drive the mana cost needed up drastically.

So the hope is by turn 5-8 depending on if burn is playing g/r ramp burn since Revelry is there, is to have any interrupt or protection in hand. Muddle the Mix, Faith's shield on Leyline, Another silence after the first ontop of the stack, or put in more from sideboard where as my choice of Rune Snag would be better replaced with Negate

The problem is Burn will be a difficult match up since tubo fog is more geared around combat damage but we have our work arounds.

Trying to add in creatures with lifelink if needed in numbers would dramatically reduce the number of fogs to draw into while looking from combo and make the core aspect of the deck weaker.

So the only thing that I can offer to support life gain and maintain the aspect of the deck is Sphinx's Revelation Gain more life and find combo pieces needed to fight against burn.

This is only my views into burn with my own experience playing and vs, and what fits my metta. Oddly no one here is playing Eidolon and the next top fave of burns Vexing Devil we care not for, let them attack the cloud.

April 24, 2015 4:17 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #25

Burn should never be playing Vexing Devil ... It's shite.

Burn is played in Naya. There is no ramp burn. Atarka's Command also goes through Leyline.

Silence does not stop spells that have already been cast, so it is pointless to double cast one in one turn.

April 24, 2015 4:39 p.m.

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