Oathbreaker and Kingslayer: Adriana EDH | *PRIMER*
Commander / EDH
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If you still want an effect like Windborn Muse you could run Archangel of Tithes since it also has an effect to discourage blocks. Triple white could be hard on your current manabase though.
August 17, 2016 10:54 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #3
jchudz: Don't worry, the mana base is going to change haha. I just haven't taken the time to do so yet.
August 17, 2016 11:16 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #4
Shane.Allen: My thoughts were that, in EDH, other decks may create tokens at an equal or greater rate than my deck. I get to pump mine, but only on the attack, and I have to swing with a large number of them to do so. This leaves me open to counterattacks, and the inclusion of a few small pillow-fort elements can be helpful (especially cheap ones I can tutor for). The fact that Windborn Muse is a creature with flying is a bonus: she can attack one opponent to give me full potential for melee. I'll consider cutting them, though.
Kor Cartographer may not be amazing, but there isn't much good ramp in Boros colors. She's a pseudo-Wood Elves that can grab a shock land (which will be in here once I work on the landbase). Regardless, I may cut her. Not sure yet. Thanks for the suggestion.
And Confusion in the Ranks is a wonderful piece of tech with spells that generate tokens. It also screws up all the combo players at the table, and makes the game more chaotic and fun. I've been looking for an excuse to use it for a while now. This one isn't getting cut, sorry :D
August 18, 2016 1:38 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #5
TheTindell179: Definitely! It's public information, and I'm glad people are interested in the deck :) If you have any further questions or suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them! And when you build your version, please let me know how it turns out :D
August 18, 2016 1:38 a.m.
I know my version cut them in favor of a suicide rush strategy. Also Bedlam
August 18, 2016 2:27 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #7
Casey4321: What did your version cut in favor of suicide rush? I think half of your comment disappeared into the ether :(
And Bedlam is a good idea. What to cut, though...
August 18, 2016 3:46 a.m.
I cut your entire pillow fort. Windborn Muse Ghostly Prison 3 lands couple of other things. I forget.
August 18, 2016 5:52 a.m.
Shane.Allen says... #9
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of my ideas. I didn't know you were going to work up the land base differently so I thought it was just basics. I don't think you need more than 36 lands in the deck. It sounds like with the token generating that's more of a meta thing, not a lot of token generating in my meta, so that might work out for you better and I'm not really a chaos guy, I like order and method, but if you really like the card, then that's good enough. :)
August 18, 2016 7:23 a.m.
ElspethOfValeron says... #10
You made an Adriana deck interesting! That's awesome. This deck is actually ridiculously sweet. Seriously, awesome job!
So one thing I would say is that you should definitely include more ramp/fast mana. Your deck is pretty top-heavy for an aggro deck. That's fine, as those high-CMC spells you've included are really high impact, but you definitely need a way to power them out fast - after all, the faster you can get them out, the easier you can overwhelm the board. You only have a very few pieces of artifact ramp; I'd fix that. Mana Crypt and Mana Vault are the obvious fast mana staples, but they (or at least Mana Crypt) may be out of your budget. Thran Dynamo, Worn Powerstone, Mind Stone and Hedron Archive are good colourless sources - the last two can also cycle themselves well, which is, of course, very relevant in Boros. Commander's Sphere is also a great one, giving you coloured mana, and cycling itself even when it's tapped. Other good options for artifact ramp include Everflowing Chalice, Fire Diamond/Marble Diamond, Darksteel Ingot, Fellwar Stone, Coldsteel Heart, Grim Monolith, Boros Cluestone, Boros Keyrune, Basalt Monolith, Chromatic Lantern, and Gilded Lotus. Obviously you don't need to run ALL of these, nor should you, but I'd add at least a few. Playing Scourge of the Throne is awesome - but playing Scourge of the Throne on turn four is even MORE awesome. Also, as a miscellaneous ramp suggestion, I honestly think every single non-green deck should at least consider running Sword of the Animist.
I'd also include some insurance against board wipes. Sweepers are the bane of Boros - you have so little card draw that it's easy to establish a board, have someone play a Wrath of God or something similar, and then be left topdecking for the rest of the game, unable to get anything else going. Something like Selfless Spirit would go a long way toward protecting your board state. Archangel Avacyn Flip could also be a huge bomb.
In case you DO get wrathed out of the game, I'd try to find a bit more card draw. I highly recommend including Wheel of Fate, Reforge the Soul, Wheel of Fortune, Magus of the Wheel, or other wheel effects. It's really easy to get into topdeck mode in Boros, and once you're in that mode, instantly drawing seven off a single inexpensive card is right where you want to be.
You should probably include a wrath or two. Wrathing your own board sucks, and isn't something you ever want to do in Boros, but I can guarantee you that you'll end up at least a few times in a situation where your board is being dealt with effectively and you're way behind, while everyone else is sculpting a huge army of their own. Wraths are great insurance for those moments. No matter how much of a nonbo they seem in deck construction, you will always end up in a situation where you wish you had one in hand. Wrath of God is, of course, the classic staple for this. I also recommend Blasphemous Act, and maybe Day of Judgment.
Finally, as a random recommendation, Entreat the Angels seems like it could be pretty sweet here. Avacyn, Angel of Hope would also be a great top end of your curve, and basically instantly solidify your position.
August 18, 2016 1:13 p.m. Edited.
Once he gets added to the site you might want to find a slot for the new grenzo
August 18, 2016 1:14 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #12
Casey4321: I took your advice and cut Ghostly Prison and friends. Thanks! I'm not willing to cut that many lands yet, though - I've always had issues being land screwed in my decks for some reason :(
Shane.Allen: Thank you for your suggestions! I only like chaos effects when they're stacked in my favor, hehe. You're welcome to leave a +1 if you like the deck :)
jchudz: Yeah, he looks sweet haha. He's either going in here or my Red Scare: Zada EDH deck! Or both, haha. My only issue is that he can't hit lands: otherwise, he would guarantee a land drop every turn, which is incredibly important for a Boros deck.
ElspethOfValeron: blinks Thanks for the long and detailed comment! I'll give you an equally detailed response in a sec...
August 18, 2016 6:55 p.m. Edited.
Daedalus19876 says... #13
ElspethOfValeron: I've broken your comment up into several sections I can address individually :)
MANA RAMPING
I agree, this is something the deck desperately needs. Mana Crypt is outside my budget, but Mana Vault is doable (especially if I get it with white borders). Likewise, I would run Grim Monolith, but alas I can't afford its $$$ price :(
Mind Stone and Worn Powerstone and Coldsteel Heart are good early-game ramp cards, but I feel like I should have better things to do T4 than Thran Dynamo and Hedron Archive, particularly because there aren't many things I can do with the immediate colorless mana. My curve has something of a hole from turns 1-3, so I can reasonably spend those turns ramping. I also should add an Ancient Tomb, if I can get my hands on another copy.
Sword of the Animist is a good idea, but I'm not sure I would have a creature to hold it frequently enough in the first few turns? Also, I've never liked the Cluestones/Keyrunes. Commander's Sphere is a good idea, though, for the free card draw.
WRATH PROTECTION/RECOVERY
I am playing Boros Charm and I plan to add Sunforger to tutor for it, but I agree, the deck is very weak to Wrath of God in its current state. Selfless Spirit would be wonderful, and I will add it. I'm not willing to include Archangel Avacyn Flip, though, for one simple reason:
I already have a (kickass, imo) Archangel Avacyn Flip voltron/aggro deck, haha! It's situated here (Judgment Day: Avacyn the Purifier EDH, comments/suggestions/+1s appreciated!), and my major problem is that I don't want to make this deck too similar to it :(
My Archangel Avacyn Flip deck relies heavily on Wheel effects (though I do not like Wheel of Fate because it gives my opponents too much time to prepare), so I wanted to do something different here. If this deck desperately needs them, though, I'll buckle down and find a space.
MY OWN WRATHS
I agree that there are times a Wrath of God is necessary in every deck. Here, I'd like to play something that lets at least some of my tokens survive, if I have the choice. The options that I can think of off the top of my head are Austere Command, Retribution of the Meek, and Fell the Mighty. Each of these should spare my tokens if I have any. sigh But now I need to find more space in the deck :(
Entreat the Angels (and its older cousin, Decree of Justice) are pretty sweet finishers, and they combo well with Mana Echoes. I'd probably pick Decree of Justice out of those two: it's cheaper in $$$, and has the additional "small" mode for when I don't plan on paying XX for X 4/4s (which also comes with a card).
Thanks again for your comment! I appreciate the help. You've given me a lot of cards to add; now, what to cut...? :)
August 18, 2016 7:30 p.m.
Toasty_Wolf says... #14
How about Archetype of Aggression? Mass-trample at three man is pretty good.
August 18, 2016 10:04 p.m.
ElspethOfValeron says... #15
Glad I could help! Unfortunately, I kinda have no idea what to cut, haha. Sorry I can't be of more help in that department.
August 19, 2016 12:46 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #16
Toasty_Wolf: Great idea! An ability that Boros rarely acquires, plus the ability to strip it from my opponents' big beaters? Sign me up! Now, I just need to find things to cut...Also, you have a wonderful username, hehe.
ElspethOfValeron: Tell me about it. Cutting is always the hardest part, and I usually can't really do it until I play the deck a few dozen times.
August 19, 2016 2:08 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #17
I learned that, with the right hand, this deck can be STARTLINGLY fast. My most recent goldfish went (assuming 5-person pod):
T1: Plains, Sol Ring, Boros Signet
T2: Mountain, Adriana, Captain of the Guard
T3: Mountain, Tempt with Vengeance for X=5 (assuming nobody will Succumb to Temptation), swing for 33
T4: Plains, Cast entwined Savage Beating, swing for 66 then again for 114
That's 213 total damage on TURN FOUR. And that's only four non-land cards required.
Also, I could theoretically combo-kill T3 in this deck (assuming land drops):
T1: Sol Ring, Boros Signet; T2: Legion Loyalist, Hero of Bladehold; T3: Cast Breath of Fury, go infinite
The moral of this story is that these silly starts only happen when I have heavy mana ramp. Which is hard in RW. Thus, I will have to take ElspethOfValeron up on their suggestion of more mana rocks. I will find what to cut to add them in the morning :)
August 19, 2016 3:41 a.m. Edited.
Daedalus19876 says... #18
TheInsanelyMadWizard and SaiNoGo: May I request a comment or upvote on this deck, as according to the "Advertise your deck" thread[s'] rules? :)
(And no, SaiNoGo, your comment of "Your deck isn't good because the T3 win doesn't account for disruption" does not count as a constructive comment. I am an experienced deck builder; I know that a player needs to account for disruption. Of course a T3 win is not likely, and probably going to be disrupted. But 1) a win that fast often leaves people without responses in EDH and 2) testing the fastest possible win is a good way to determine the speed of your deck, as long as you don't rely on a single avenue of victory.)
August 19, 2016 2:50 p.m.
TheInsanelyMadWizard says... #19
Sorry mate. Got busy with something.
Lightning Bolt is the only card I can suggest adding (maybe switch out Odric for this one?). Other than that, +1!
August 19, 2016 4:25 p.m.
Comment as per request:
I'm sorry, I didn't realize my comment would be taken as such a negative comment. I just wanted you to be aware of the fact that the 3-4 other players may have a response, making the damage taken at most 5 damage to one player. I can't believe I didn't mention in my first message that if you're considering running Berserkers' Onslaught, wouldn't Rage Reflection be a strictly better upgrade for just a single mana more? Plus the synergy it has with forcing your opponents to attack with fragile creatures against your double-striker army, woo-wee.I'll even up vote for your ability to make a good Boros deck. Makes me miss my failure of a Tajic Voltron deck
August 19, 2016 8:49 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #21
SaiNoGo: Sorry about my harsh words in response. I was having a bad morning, and I read your comment in the worst possible light.
I ended up taking out Berserkers' Onslaught, so it's a bit of a moot point, but I feel like there's a big difference between 5 and 6 mana. Here, though, they're virtually identical because my T5 should (normally) entail casting my commander :)
Yeah, players may have a response or a wrath. Without blue, it's hard to respond effectively. Do you have any way to further protect myself? I know I should add Selfless Spirit and a few other cards, but I need to find space for them.
August 19, 2016 9:16 p.m.
Selfless Spirit would make an excellent add and the only card that I can think of is Avacyn, but both forms she is too mana intensive to cast unless you wait a turn after you cast your commander. Also, I wouldn't suggest using Archangle Avacyn unless you have a sacrifice outlet, lest you nuke your own army... And also, I'm surprised that you didn't include any haste enablers like Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots because they also protect you general from targeted removal, ensuring that your other creatures have melee regardless of what the opponent tries with a path to Exile/Swords to plowshare a before your win condition can be seen
August 19, 2016 10:08 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #23
SaiNoGo: Yeah, I need to find a space. The eternal struggle...
August 19, 2016 10:21 p.m.
darksmash333 says... #25
Hey I love this deck idea amd already gave it an upvote. And I wrote an article on mtg salvation about the similarities between Conspiracy: Take the Crown and Game of Thrones. I was wondering if I could link this in the article for people reading it to see other people with the similar idea. Plus it might get you a few more views and upvotes. I don't want to do it without your permission tho so here is the link: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/751578-conspiracy-take-the-crown-game-of-thrones -And let me know if thats cool! Thanks!
Shane.Allen says... #1
Cards I don't think make the cut:
Kor Cartographer
Windborn Muse
Confusion in the Ranks, can backfire on you.
Ghostly Prison, quit trying to pillow fort, it's an aggro deck.
I think take out 1 mountain and 1 plains, 36 lands is all you need.
Out of the mainboard, these are what I find you don't need at all.
August 17, 2016 9:12 p.m.