Oathbreaker and Kingslayer: Adriana EDH | *PRIMER*
Commander / EDH
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Daedalus19876 says... #2
So I have 13 cards I currently really want to add: Selfless Spirit, Sunforger, Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, Archetype of Aggression, Decree of Justice, Mind's Eye, Shared Animosity, Rest in Peace, Darksteel Plate, Idyllic Tutor, and the new Custodi Soulcaller.
...But I don't want to cut many creatures, and every non-creature spell seems to either 1) be vital to the deck's purpose, 2) be of such extreme utility that I'm hesitant to remove it, 3) make a large number of tokens, or 4) provide mana ramp. Any ideas on what to cut?
August 21, 2016 3:25 a.m.
As far as cuts go I'd recommend Figure of Destiny since you probably want to be doing with your mana than leveling it up.
Confusion in the Ranks because you probably don't want to lose cards like Assemble the Legion and your other key creatures.
Luminarch Ascension and Fumiko the Lowblood aren't really as good without the pillow fort package to discourage attacks against you.
Mogg War Marshal is probably better off as Pia and Kiran Nalaar or something if you wanted it for an Eldrazi Displacer combo.
In my list I actually ended up taking out the Scourge of the Throne since if our decks are doing what the were built for, our opponents should already be at a lower life total.
August 21, 2016 1:08 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #4
jchudz: Honestly, you're right about Figure of Destiny, but I've had games where I run out of draw power and have lots of spare mana to "level" him. However, I would usually rather have something like Mobilization or Sacred Mesa in that slot, since the tokens can't be dealt with with a single Doom Blade. He'll probably come out, even though I'm reluctant to cut one-drop creatures.
I really, really, REALLY like Confusion in the Ranks, although your analysis is sound. At the very least it lets me steal an enchantment upon entry, and any token-maker will let me get value out of it (for example, Rise of the Hobgoblins reads "gain control of X target creatures and target enchantment" for XRW). But honestly, if I resolve Confusion in the Ranks, I'm more interested in giggling from the resultant chaos than I am in winning.
I always want to include Luminarch Ascension for the dream of "T2 Ascension, T3 start pumping out angels" (which has happened before, several times). My meta is also not extremely combat-focussed (combo is popular) so it's frequent to take zero damage. But you're right that it would need some more pillow fort to really make it good...
Fumiko the Lowblood was actually in there to 1) hopefully eat an attacker if they swing at me and 2) act as something like a Bedlam attached to a body (since I should normally be able to do a lot of damage on the backswing). You're right that this is a good cut here, though.
I might actually be removing Eldrazi Displacer. It's an awesome card, and can tap troublesome blockers, but it's not really useful outside of the two combos I noted above. Also, I don't find that I have colorless mana frequently enough to activate it reliably. The moral of the story, actually, is that I should add Aurelia, the Warleader into my Avacyn, the Purifier Flip deck and have the potential for the combo there. Oh, and Pia and Kiran Nalaar is a good catch!
Do you find that you're frequently at the highest life total for Scourge of the Throne, even in a multiplayer game? I'm surprised that nobody is punching you in return if you swing out.
Thanks, that helps me a lot with cutting! Also, any thoughts on the mana-base? I can't afford duals or shocks...
August 21, 2016 1:35 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #5
The top decks today are like a perfect who's-who of Paliano. Nearby, Selvala and Grenzo are sulking.
Also, I am cheesed that Queen Marchesa has two more votes than Adriana, Captain of the Guard. The revolution must continue its fight! Will we let tyranny triumph over democracy?!?!?!? And of course Leovold, Emissary of Trest has more votes than either one. Because everyone loves an ambassador (except your opponents).
(Anyone who reads this should check out Lilbrudder and ElspethOfValeron's decks, because they're awesome builds around the new commanders from Conspiracy.)
August 21, 2016 2:41 p.m.
The wilds are not SKULKING DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO HERD THIS MANY LARGE ANIMALS!? (I'm brewing)
August 21, 2016 3:08 p.m.
Lilbrudder says... #7
Thanks for the shout out :-) I love the flavor of this deck +1
August 21, 2016 4:01 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #9
Most recent adjustment: added Selfless Spirit, Sunforger, Lightning Greaves, Darksteel Plate; removed Eldrazi Displacer, Figure of Destiny, Luminarch Ascension, Oblation
August 23, 2016 7:52 p.m.
So here's some ideas I have for the deck:
Heliod, God of the Sun is a great token-generating mana sink and gives an anthem
Purphoros, God of the Forge deals burn for tokens entering the battlefield, you can also use Impact Tremors
Spear of Heliod, Hammer of Purphoros and Fervor are also anthems you could use
Would advise Zada, Hedron Grinder as a possible card in the 99, but she is more of a "build around me" sort of card.
Hope these suggestions help!
August 24, 2016 6:15 p.m.
Shane.Allen says... #11
With all the hype over these three new commanders in CN2 I hope that they fight and play as good as they are to build around with :)
August 24, 2016 6:22 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #12
Shane.Allen: Technically speaking, there have been five new commanders, hehe. I do think that Grenzo is pretty linear, and that Selvala is pretty boring (I eagerly await Casey4321's deck to disprove this for me).
I've had a chance to playtest this deck online a few days ago*, and I'm liking it a lot. Adriana is definitely the least powerful of the trifecta (compared to Queen Marchesa and Leovold, Emissary of Trest) but she's proven to be fun.
*Summoning Casey4321 and ranindarkrider to ask their opinion on how it played! :)
Triton: Thanks for the suggestions! I like your thematic consistency (the missing two Theros gods and their legendary weapons) but I've found that the anthems haven't done too much for me in this deck (surprisingly!).
Haste engines are amazing of course, but if I was to add one it would probably be Urabrask the Hidden to take advantage of having more creatures, and to make my opponents' creatures ETBT. And as you know, I already have a "build-around-me" Zada deck that I'm pretty happy with :)
Heliod, God of the Sun would be generally worse than Mobilization, since the latter relies less on white mana. I am definitely thinking about adding Purphoros, God of the Forge to the deck, though. What would you cut to make space for him?
If you like the deck, +1s are appreciated :) Thanks for your comment, as always!
August 24, 2016 6:48 p.m. Edited.
Shane.Allen says... #13
Daedalus19876 touch my friend, I think Selvala will be the new Mayael deck, But I think over the next six months we are going to see a ton of Adriana and the Queen Marchesa. Will they stay past six months I can't say but one thing is for sure Monarch ability is here to stay :)
August 24, 2016 7:37 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #14
Shane.Allen: I think that Leovold is the one who is here to stay, actually. He's a beast, and he's already making a splash in competitive circles. I don't play Stax much but he's overpowered as hell.
August 24, 2016 7:43 p.m.
Shane.Allen says... #15
Daedalus19876 Well sir thank you for the update on that, I have been ignoring him to much, I must head back to the castle tower and look up this new enemy and do some homework.
August 24, 2016 7:49 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #16
Shane.Allen: Check out Lilbrudder's amazing Oh, I'm Sorry....Did I break your concentration? deck for the most powerful take I've seen on Leovold, Emissary of Trest ;)
When a general comes down T3 every game, demands a kill-spell within a turn cycle to prevent losing, prevents your opponents from digging for answers, and gives you a card to replace himself, that is too strong. He one-card-combos with at least 8 cards to turn him into a T3 Jin-Git. And while that's happened to me with some frequency (damn you, Animate Dead) the thing that sets Leovold apart is his consistency and low cost. It's not a stretch to say that he's probably going to be in the top three competitive generals in EDH. He's an amazing hate-bear that you have access to every game and that combos with a huge number of cards in your deck.
With a powerful early threat like Leovold, the game becomes "Do you have removal, and do I lack a counterspell T3? Otherwise, you straight-up lose. Nice playing!" That kind of degeneracy (in the game theory sense of a game that becomes a binary win/loss based on a single choice) isn't pleasant in commander when it happens with any frequency. Don't get me wrong, I love constructing powerful EDH decks, and that would be harder without powerful generals. But I would despise playing against it, because it gives a reliable degree of hand destruction that EDH has never seen.
August 24, 2016 8:10 p.m.
The only card I can think up to swap out for the red god is Confusion in the Ranks, but I understand why you'd want to keep it in :)
As for the two gods, both actually tend to fit quite well into this deck at various extents imo. The weapons do have some nice anthems, so I thought they'd be some nice suggestions
August 24, 2016 8:17 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #18
Triton: Yeah, I'm pretty partial to Confusion in the Ranks. I assume you've seen my thoughts on the topic earlier in this comment stream, hehe. And I definitely agree with regards to the Gods. They're fantastic cards that synergize with my deck and become huge beaters when needed. I'm just having trouble finding space right now without further playtesting. Sort of a similar issue with the Weapons - they're good cards and I want to try them, but without more testing, I don't know what to cut. The eternal struggle, you know.
You're welcome to leave a +1 if you like the deck :) I appreciate the help!
August 24, 2016 8:34 p.m.
JumboCommander says... #19
Thanks for the help on my version of Adriana, Captain of Combat. I think your deck looks sweet and your picks are all defensible so this isn't a must include by any means. I have been amazed at the quality and versatility of Chandra, Flamecaller She creates dudes that you can suicide in to achieve melee or just be huge on their own. She can perform a pseudo board wipe if there is a token army knocking at your door (or wipe post combat when your creatures have been buffed by Adriana, Captain of the Guard. She also can get you some card advantage as you throw away redundant effects and search for those powerful late game cards. I would cut Relentless Assault because it is the weakest and you do have 8 others in the deck. Let me know what you think!
August 24, 2016 11:23 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #20
Athraithe: I saw your comment on JumboCommander's deck - that's why we all post our decks on this website, so that we can benefit from the thoughts of others. You're welcome to check out or +1 this deck; hopefully you might find it a useful resource :)
JumboCommander: Chandra, Flamecaller is a very good idea that I hadn't considered before! I might try playtesting her in this list - though I think I might listen to jchudz and put it in over Scourge of the Throne (too conditional and high-mana).
August 24, 2016 11:41 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #21
Ooh! I could stick in Whispersilk Cloak in here, since I don't plan to equip many things to Adriana and since she can get to be quite a large attacker. Thoughts?
August 25, 2016 5:09 p.m.
shaistyone says... #22
I'll copy my comments over from another Adriana deck, they should work for you too.
"I like this, it definitely gives aggro a chance. :)
Suggestions:
Given the aggressive nature of the deck + the anti-political bias of attacking all of your opponents, I would want more ways to protect your swarm. Like:
Rootborn Defenses - gives a free token as well
Absolute Grace - dodges a lot of spot removal + makes attacks easier
Ghostway - Eerie Interlude - Faith's Reward - sucks that they don't let you keep your tokens, but they help with mass exile/sacrifice spells
Rest in Peace - you have no graveyard interaction, so this is all upside for you
Leonin Sun Standard - can't count how many games this won for me
Number 1 Recommendation:
Reconnaissance - already the most busted card nobody runs, add in the Melee mechanic and it is just absurd. The ability to attack with EVERY creature you control EVERY combat without fear is awesome. The ability to untap after the damage step is just gravy."
August 26, 2016 9:33 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #23
shaistyone: Ironically, the deck you posted those comments on was based on mine haha. But you make some good points, and let's go through them in detail :)
Rootborn Defenses (and Hold the Line and friends) are great cards, and I may add them after further playtesting. We'll have to see. They're strong contenders for a slot.
I'll avoid Ghostway and friends for now, though, since the indestructibility spells should protect my tokens and board state better. Mass exile isn't too huge of a thing at the moment, and mass sacrifice tends to be the staxy kind that will still kill my board in response.
Leonin Sun Standard: I feel like Mirror Entity just does this better for less mana. Layering plays nicely with him.
Rest in Peace definitely needs a slot, and I'm just not sure what to cut for it. Absolute Grace seems too situational and hit-or-miss here.
And Reconnaissance seems spectacular here, I agree (since my tokens often have to attack into dangerous situations to give their fellows a melee bonus). What would you cut for it?
Thanks for your interest in my deck! If you like it, you can leave a +1 :)
August 26, 2016 2:50 p.m. Edited.
Daedalus19876 says... #24
Catalog9000: The issue, though, is that I need indestructible during my opponents' turn so that my board survives a board wipe (Dolmen Gate and Iroas take care of it during combat). I also don't feel that I have a high enough density of keywords to make New!Odric reliable: although all the keywords you mentioned are in the deck, they're usually only included once or twice. And without a large number of creature tutors, I don't think that I will have the combinations I need to make him good.
You are correct, though, that Iroas has been errata' to give Menace and thus Odric does indeed share it (not that he needs to, though, since Iroas already grants it globally).
Thanks for your comment! If you like the deck, +1s are appreciated :)
August 26, 2016 3:01 p.m.
Congrats on this deck! I think I was the first to upvote it.
Daedalus19876 says... #1
illumfolly: Yes. But what to cut? I have about ten cards I want to add, including Sunforger, but I have to find things to cut without lowering the creature count too much.
darksmash333: Definitely, feel free to post it! I read through your thread, and you point out a whole bunch of good correspondences between the two stories. Also, I wouldn't have placed the deck on TappedOut if it was confidential ;)
Thanks for the +1, also! :) Any further thoughts you may have - whether on functionality or flavor - are always appreciated.
August 21, 2016 2:21 a.m.