Titus78

1. Cradle + 4 creatures + temple.
2. Tap cradle for 4, then use temple to place an untap trigger targeting cradle on the stack 3 floating.
3. Hold priority and copy the untap ability of temple with rings targeting cradle 1 floating
4. Pass priority and allow untap triggers to resolve, untapping cradle and temple with you 1 floating.
5. You are back to where you started but now you have an extra mana, rinse and repeat until your opponent's cry.

It also works with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx but you need to generate a minimum of 6 mana with it due to the 2 mana activation cost.

Kamerot

Thoughts on adding cards like Benefactor's Draught / Mobilize / Vitalize ? These cards act as rituals with your mana dorks, and with the lands you make into creatures.

Why are you running "Fabled Passage" instead of "Prismatic Vista?"

Also, do you feel "Walking Ballista" could be a good slot for this desk?

Profet93 I'm a fan of these types of spells, that's why I threw Patron of the Orochi because he does the same thing but I can repeat it every turn instead of having a one time use. I've been contemplating with a more aggressive, competitive build and I'd totally rock these in that build.

Gnardawg a buddy of mine pulled a full art foil and we traded out right, so it essentially cost me nothing. Prismatic vista is on my buy list for the deck and I'll get to it eventually.

Kamerot could you remind me why it is beneficial to run fetch lands in a mono-colored deck?

Titus78, I think it's to fetch Dryad Arbor as it is a typed Forest.

Yes, being able to fetch dryad arbor us part of it. It's also been shown that being able to thin your deck and lowering your chance of drawing a land late game is incredibly beneficial. I also run Lotus Cobra and Sylvan Library which both benefit from fetchlands. Cobra gets extra landfall triggers and with sylvan library, if I'm top decking a bunch of stuff I dont need, I can just crack a fetchlands and shuffle my library hopefully improving on my draws.

Kamerot would you mind taking a look at my deck Fun With BIG Green based around your deck?

I'm looking for feedback as currently I'm sitting at 106 cards listed, and am missing a lot of the most expensive cards. Wondering if I can get around using the deck without some of them until I can afford to slot them in.

Also, not sure if there is a better method to chat about this, but comments are the only way I see on this site.

Thanks!

P.S. If you wanna check out my other decks and provide feedback/insight, don't hesitate :)

Yes! I totally spaced on doing it the other day when you asked. I apologize for that, I'll take a look this morning.

+1 upvote here! have to show this to my friend as well. check out my modern deck here and drop some advice Wincons Thanks!

I'll check it out on my lunch break this afternoon

Any particular reason not to run Omnath, Locus of Mana in this? He would act as a mana storage plus big beater.

For a few reasons.

1. I want to prove that green doesn't need omnath to be good. When I first made this deck, omnath was THE mono green commander, if you weren't using him then you were wrong. So I wanted to prove that mono green was viable without him. Pride is a stupid reason not to run a great card, but I'm sticking to my guns.

2. You say he's a big beater, but only if I dont spend the mana that he stores. That works counterintuitively to kamahl, who is a huge mana sink that makes all of my creatures big beaters.

3. In order to make him an asset to this deck, I'd have to add more protection just to keep him alive for several turns to store mana. This means adding more protection and taking away from other aspects of the deck. As it stands, I'm not dependent on any 1 or 2 cards to win. I can bounce backs from board wipes relatively well and have multiple avenues to victory. Using omnath. I feel I'd become dependent on that mana storage and would ultimately ruin the flow of the deck.

Hope that answered you question adequately.

Any consideration of running Nyx Lotus?

Not at this time. I'm not huge on it entering the battlefield tapped. And I also try to stay from mana rocks in this deck as they don't gel well with Collector Ouphe and can't be turned into hard hitting beat sticks like my mana dorks. It's on my radar though if I ever do some major overhauls to the deck.

This is without a doubt one of my favorite decks, I've always been a big fan of ramp into large creatures and swing. I know you said you didn't want to add infect or Eldrazi to the mix, and I can understand that. My question is... If you decided to change your mind about those, what would you add and what would you cut with the idea of just putting in all of the best of both worlds in. Again, I know you stated you won't, but I would still very much like to know what you would add and cut and why. Thanks!

First off, I'm glad you like the deck. Second, as to your questions:

The only infect would be Triumph of the Hordes. Its all you would need.

As for eldrazi, I like World Breaker, Void Winnower and Kozilek, the Great Distortion

Provides great removal and can shut everyone out of my turn.

Thanks so much for the reply!

You don't think other large creatures like Blightsteel Colossus for infect would be worth adding since it's easy to swing due to being indestructible?

Just the three Eldrazi? Not Ulamog, the ceaseless hunger or Emrakul, the Promised End being massive beaters and offering forms of removal?

Also, what cards do you think you would remove to add Triumph of the Hordes and the other three you mentioned?

Again, I appreciate the replies and appreciate the effort you put forth in constructing this deck.

With kamahl as your commander and the right set up, you dont need a huge army of already big creatures, because even your 1/1's are potentially lethal (I make a habit of killing people with Spore Frog to run salt in the wound). Also, cards like Green Sun's Zenith and Natural Order only search for green creatures, so having lots of colorless creatures makes those less effective. And then the last big thing about not overdoing the eldrazi is you have to cast them to get the triggers and they all cost 10+ (for the legendaries anyways) which takes away from you overrunning your opponents.

That's just my take on it. You can literally do any combination of creatures and kamahl will make them better. I've been finding myself using more utility creatures as the deck has evolved because the utility stuff is what I need to stay in the game. Kamahl provides all the offense I need.

What about Dawnstrider for Fog Ability? Reliable staple card and reusable unlike Spore Frog.

Also, you have a lot of cards with similar total power/toughness. In that case, you might want to consider Wild Pair as that would combo well with your big bois and draw effects.

I've always shied away from discarding in this deck, but Dawnstrider is definitely a solid card. I'm gonna playtest it and see how it goes. As for Wild Pair, I ran it years ago in an earlier rendition of the deck and replaced it. Im going to wait until after the full spoiler list of ikoria to see what big changes I'll make, if any, and take a look at adding it back in. Thanks for the suggestions!

Kamerot Hey, have you seen the recently spoiled Vivien, Monsters' Advocate? I think it would rock in this deck!

Yes!!!! That and Kogla, the Titan Ape are both on my watch list. I'm excited for this set.

This deck is a really, really, fun deck to play