Omnath, A Song of Creation and Chaos
Commander / EDH
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Starsky2814 says... #2
Metachemist, I was concerned with as well with Roil Elemental, so I did opt to go with Risen Reef. Like we have discussed before, draw was an area of opportunity so that should hopefully help. Especially if we can get Parcelbeast + Scute Swarm online = draw galore.
September 23, 2020 1:20 p.m.
Metachemist says... #3
Oh yeah Risen Reef will help a lot with that and if you ended up needing more draw and/or filtering a Lifecrafter's Bestiary never goes amiss
September 23, 2020 2:21 p.m.
Also Risen Reef literally goes berserk if you can copy it with blue duplicant effects like your Sakashima the Impostor. It might be worth to consider even more duplicate cards, but I am aware that you already have more cards than room in the decklist.
September 24, 2020 8:24 a.m.
Starsky2814 says... #5
unwucht, I always enjoy having clone cards around to abuse abilities. I do have Spark Double in consideration, since I can still use it to clone Omnath, Locus of Creation. For non-legendary cloning Phantasmal Image, Clever Impersonator or Riku of Two Reflections could be good adds if I decide to go that route.
September 24, 2020 11:09 a.m.
Cornelius_1216 says... #6
Looks fantastic, think I'll Armageddon, Ravages of War, Parcelbeast, Akroma's Memorial, and Teferi's Protection and add a few lands. Looking forward to playing with a deck that seems like it should be jank but is actually... really good.
September 24, 2020 11:54 a.m.
Metachemist says... #7
So I have some more suggestions that I think would help tighten up the deck a bit, it leans it more towards combo/control but hear me out.
Cuts: Nissa, Vital Force it's good and it's synergy but I think we can do better.
Wheel of Fortune I know that draw is an issue for you but! I think this and Echo of Eons better fit in a deck that want to take advantage of the parity of up to 3 other opponents drawing that many cards.
My last cut is Felidar Retreat this card is cute and synergy but again I think we can do better
Adds: Fierce Guardianship tapped out from a big turn but couldn't quite close out the game? Would a Wrath or Counter really wreck your plans? Tell them to bugger off.
Force of Will or Force of Negation See above.
Enlightened Tutor and Worldly Tutor we don't need to draw as much if we draw exactly what we need. (insert head tap meme here)
September 24, 2020 1:41 p.m.
Starsky2814 says... #8
Cornelius_1216, the deck has even surprised me with its performance. This isn’t anything competitive by any means, because I wanted something that would be fun for me to pilot, but the deck can just blow up out of nowhere on turns 4-6. I’m glad you were able to find some stuff out of my brew to include to yours. Feel free to send me a link to your Omnath, Locus of Creation. I’d definitely like to check it out!
Metachemist, I am definitely on board with cutting Nissa, Vital Force and Echo of Eons for Enlightened Tutor and Worldly Tutor. Felidar Retreat I wanted to give a shot, but you do make valid points and I can make the cut for Fierce Guardianship. I think I might opt for Deflecting Swat over the other counter cards. Though I would need to cut something else over Wheel of Fortune. That card has disrupted my opponents hands and giving me a desperately needed full hand many times than none. I’m definitely open to more feedback from you.
September 24, 2020 2:15 p.m.
Metachemist says... #9
Interesting, that may just be down to different play experiences then. In my experience the opponent who plays a Wheel almost always leaves me in a better position than I started, unless they are playing a Commander that gets fueled up by opponents drawing and/or all the cards hitting the graveyard.
I like Deflecting Swat but I can see several situations where it may not be able to save your board state. For example it wouldn't stop any sort of board wipe, and I really think Merciless Eviction is gonna be the boogey man to this deck. As for targeted removal you've got several flicker effects to dodge those.
However if targeted removal is especially heavy in your meta then instead of Deflecting Swat I would be more inclined to say run some Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves
September 24, 2020 2:46 p.m.
I personally would stick with Felidar Retreat, as well. It is not a big finisher but the synergy is just to good to cut it, plus it will create tokens on landfall even if all creatures get wiped.
Man, I fell in love with that deck. This will be an expensive month...
September 24, 2020 4:45 p.m.
Spartansean765 says... #11
You and I had really similar ideas for our decks. My thoughts for it would be Worldly Tutor and Time of Need so you can tutor up key creatures. Song of the Dryads is also great for a more permanent solution to commanders that I run in just about every green deck I have. If you’re interested in seeing what I brewed up, here’s a link to mine. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/znr-omnath-expendable-armies-and-landfall-1/
September 24, 2020 11:20 p.m.
Hey I'm really digging the deck list and highly considering changing mine around a bit too. If you ever wanted more ideas you can check my deck list. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-04-20-phU-omnath
September 25, 2020 6:43 a.m.
Starsky2814 says... #13
What is everyone’s thoughts on possibly cutting Cultivate and Kodama's Reach for Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch? Can make it potentially easier to cast Omnath, Locus of Creation on turn 3.
September 25, 2020 9:37 a.m.
Love the deck! I built this on MTGO and so far so good. Couple thoughts:
- I think it needs 36+ lands. I noticed a lot of mulling to get more than 2 lands in hand. In a lands-matter deck, you want an overload so you can consistently trigger. Lands I'd definitely add: Strip Mine, Wasteland, Flagstones of Trokair (great with sac effects - replaces itself with ANY Plains).
Other cards I'd consider heavily: Wrenn and Six, Nissa, Who Shakes the World, Nissa, Steward of Elements.
Also notice in a few games an abundance of mana with nothing to use it on. What about an additional mana sink or two similar to say Expansion / Explosion or Hydroid Krasis.
I would also consider adding some big threats like a Eldrazi Titan or Ugin.
Thoughts?
September 25, 2020 10:46 a.m.
Starsky2814 says... #15
rkjunior, great feedback, thanks! I’ve also experienced mulling for more than two lands as well, quite a bit actually. Things are pretty tight to cut as is, which is a reason I was asking for thoughts on adding Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch in place of Cultivate and Kodama's Reach to hopefully fix mulling if one of those are in hand with two lands and hope that we draw into at least one other land. Though two extra lands or even one more isn’t asking much so I’ll try to get those adjustments made. I’ll keep Flagstones of Trokair in mind for inclusion. I’m staying away from Strip Mine and Wasteland because having the colorless mana in opening hands is brutal. I’ve experienced this with Field of the Dead and that’s the only colorless I run.
The planeswalkers have been considered, I just had a hard time justifying inclusion at the time and only went with Nissa, Vital Force, but even she just got cut for a tutor.
I have also experienced an abundance of unused mana at times and because draw has been an issue, I was considering replacing stuff for x cost draw effects, such as, Pull from Tomorrow, Finale of Revelation, Sphinx's Revelation or even Hydroid Krasis.
As threatening as an eldrazi Titan would be and the flavor fits Zendikar well, I think I’ll pass on the idea for now.
Let’s continue to discuss this. We are making great progress at tuning this deck.
September 25, 2020 12:25 p.m.
Starsky2814 says... #16
Adding some star players here for their feedback as well. Metachemist, unwucht, MalchiorDevenholm and let’s see if my good ol’ buddy SynergyBuild, will grace us with his presence.
September 25, 2020 12:33 p.m.
I currently consider at least one huge card draw effect like Finale of Revelation as a very important update. This deck will generate tons of mana, and a few decend draw-x cards will catapult you into positions were to cast tons of cards, even without Song of Creation on the board.
September 25, 2020 3:09 p.m.
I made a couple tweaks. Here's a T4 win: T4 Win
My tweaks are here: Omnath, Locus of Creation
September 25, 2020 3:14 p.m.
Considering adding Panharmonicon or Lithoform Engine for double the Omnath trigger(s) and Pact of Negation for some end-game protection.
September 25, 2020 3:20 p.m. Edited.
Starsky2814 says... #20
rkjunior, wow, gg! How are you feeling about your inclusion of Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch? Does it feel more beneficial?
I have also considered Lithoform Engine or Strionic Resonator because I do love the trigger twice feature from Ancient Greenwarden and those will give another way to double a trigger.
unwucht, yeah, I’m pretty sure Finale of Revelation is going in at this point and maybe Pull from Tomorrow.
September 25, 2020 4:13 p.m.
I'm really like the inclusion of Birds/Noble with the 37 lands so far. I realize Panharmonicon doesn't work but Lithoform Engine seems fun.
Here's the next game.. I'd say it worked well:
September 25, 2020 5:32 p.m.
Starsky2814 says... #22
rkjunior, good because I added the two mana dorks myself. I don’t think I’ll miss Cultivate or Kodama's Reach if it means I have a better chance at casting my commander early.
Your board state is ridiculous! T6 and they don’t see it coming. I’m glad the deck is performing well. Especially since my intent was to just build to have fun with some landfall shenanigans. I thought the deck was going to end up being a downgrade from my Omnath, Locus of the Roil deck I took apart to build this monster, but I have definitely changed my mind on that.
September 25, 2020 6:20 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #23
What are your thoughts on Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip for a CA engine, and or Wrenn and Six for the same purpose?
September 25, 2020 10:06 p.m.
Yeah I actually think you should've taken out Cultivate and Kodama's Reach long ago. Those dorks in particular definitely help speed up the deck. I've achieved only a T6 victory but never T4. That's amazing. Lol
Metachemist says... #1
Roil Elemental while good, is an absolute hate magnet. It's also a triple blue pip so while not incredible difficult to cast I think you might have better luck with Chulane or the Reef.
September 23, 2020 1:13 p.m.