Kynaios & Tiro, Lovers of Landfall

Commander / EDH MegaMatt13

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baddkaarma says... #1

I agree with all of the Dominaria changes and think they're all pretty wise choices, the only exception being Sylvan Awakening. I think it is just too dangerous if you can't win the turn you play it. At least in my meta, where cards like Black Sun's Zenith, Massacre Wurm, Toxic Deluge and even Merciless Eviction are extremely common.

April 28, 2018 4:03 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #2

baddkaarma that's a fair point about Sylvan Awakening. I am going to trial it for a bit but I imagine I will swap it out and bring back in Nissa or Beastmaster Ascension

April 28, 2018 5:21 p.m.

RijtBart says... #3

Very cool deck!!! I recently added a subtheme to my k&t too..but also left room for draw and group hug cause I love that bit.I second the earlier mentioned Ruin Ghost in combination with Retreat to Coralhelm. It is a great combo. Makes your Tunneling Geopede a finisher.

May 1, 2018 4:14 p.m.

baddkaarma says... #4

Have been playing the deck a lot and man Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar is a house. He wins games by himself in my experience. What a card.

May 5, 2018 8:35 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #5

baddkaarma I agree. Multani is insane.

I've also been trying out The Mending of Dominaria and it has performed better than I expected. the fact it brings back the lands untapped is fantastic. kineticstasis thanks for bringing the card to my attention

May 5, 2018 10:58 p.m.

baddkaarma says... #6

Pir's Whim is interesting. It also gives you some political value which I like. May try it out.

June 10, 2018 10:47 a.m.

andrea98 says... #7

The deck is really good! But the mana base NEEDS to be fixed. bouncelands are awful in EVERY deck by far, you shoul at least take some shocklands to make fetches more decent, since you're playing a lot of specific card mana. You should also buy the other staple lands such as other fetches (almost everyone, that's why you need shocklands and not too many base lands!) to fix faster mana, Ancient Tomb (if you're playing 2v2 commander). Chrome Mox is great too (obviously 2v2 commander since it's banned in MTGO format). If you want to play on lands you can consider adding the Dark Depths and Thespian's Stage combo!

Primeval Bounty it's one of the slowest things i've ever read, you should swap it for faster enchantments such as Sylvan Library. Another funny enchantment would be Manabond. Feel free to pass here and take a look at my decklist, you might find something useful for land recursion too!

June 25, 2018 8:09 a.m.

baddkaarma says... #8

Couldn't disagree more with most of these suggestions, bouncelands are fantastic in this and most landfall decks. You want to be returning lands to your hand as often as possible and since Amulet of Vigor is in this deck, a lot of the time your bouncelands don't even come in tapped meaning you get to utilize the land you are bouncing and the bounceland itself for mana. Basics are needed for Ash Barrens, Thawing Glaciers, Harrow, Rampant Growth, Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, Nissa, Vastwood Seer  Flip, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Khalni Heart Expedition.

Primeval Bounty IS slow and durdly, I'll give you that, but then again, this deck isn't looking to win a game on display at Laboratory Maniacs. It's designed to have fun based around landfall triggers, and it does a good job at that. You certainly could make an argument for adding shocks/fetches to a landfall deck, but if you did that to this one you'd have to basically do an overhaul of the deck to change out a lot of the cards that I mentioned as this deck needs a lot of basics.

June 25, 2018 9:19 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #9

andrea98, thanks for your input. I have to agree with baddkaarma though: The bounce lands are fantastic in here and the basics are necessary (at times I wish I had even more basics). Normally I don't play with bounce lands, but they are great for later game bouncing each other to create a loop of landfall.triggers. Primeval Bounty is a bit durdly but definitely on theme with the deck, giving landfall triggers and creating tokens (the primary way the deck eventually wins).

June 25, 2018 12:46 p.m.

andrea98 says... #10

Well of course leaving room to shocklands and fetch is vital even if you play a monocolor or some sort of different type of deck. For example, Evolving Wilds and such are easily replaced by fetch + shockland and that could only help the deck :) Running a lot of cmc cards with too many specific colors and running almost only bouncelands who gives at least two color is a real disadvantage. BTW keep a head onto the other cards i listed you above, as well as tutors like Enlightened Tutor and Mystical Tutor wich are always really helpful. If you want to play on lands you should also put Wasteland and Maze of Ith.

June 25, 2018 2:05 p.m.

Beebles says... #11

If you are looking for more defense, you could improve your land package to provide that. With all the land tutors that you run, you could add cards like Kor Haven and Maze of Ith, but most importantly Glacial Chasm. Looping that with land recursion or land bounce effects is insane. That card just wins games. You would need to cut some non-lands though for making room for the latter 2 because they do not produce mana.

June 29, 2018 1:59 p.m.

FaultLime says... #12

Since you have a ton of land recursion why not add Armageddon? It would shut down all other players, let you restart your engine, and you can combo it with either the last tic of The Mending of Dominaria or float some mana before the wipe and cast Splendid Reclamation to put yourself in a huge lead.

June 30, 2018 1:13 p.m.

So I’m in the process of building a KnT land value deck. How has constant mists and sylvan safekeeper been to you with Titania?! I’m very interested in adding a Titania package as another token generator. I have 5-6 card slots that I can devote to support her abilities. I’m mainly looking into a way to get the sacrifice engine running over the ways to keep it functioning. In my limited knowledge pool I have only found Zuran Orb, Constant Mists, Sylvan Safekeeper, and World Breaker to trigger her effect. Is there any other playable cards that could pair well with her outside of those?!

October 18, 2018 7:10 a.m.
October 18, 2018 7:11 a.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #15

ProdigyOfEsper+24, I mostly use Titania's token generation as a nice bonus. I use her mostly for the land recursion and then incidentally get tokens with her. As well as the cards you mentioned, Crop Rotation, Harrow, Blighted Woodland, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, and the "fetch lands" all also trigger her ability. I basically always get some token value off of her. Hope this helps!

October 18, 2018 12:44 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #16

I forgot to mention Strip Mine and Wasteland too! You can get engines going recurring them and sacrificing them and getting tokens

October 18, 2018 12:49 p.m.

jense says... #17

Hi man, cool deck! I've just created my own and I found Deprive the most useful counterspell to play since it bounces a land. I've got no clue if somebody already suggested it since there are so many comments lol. I'm curious about your thoughts about Deprive .

February 17, 2019 3:46 p.m.

jense says... #18

Oh, forgot to mention it in my last comment. But what about Realms Uncharted ? Seems busted in this deck!

February 17, 2019 3:51 p.m.

TheDodo says... #19

Hey it looks like a great deck! Can I have your thoughts on the following and why they didn't make the list: Realm Razer , World Shaper , Settle the Wreckage (on yourself, with tokens, or as defense)

May 1, 2019 4:08 p.m.

kgmf says... #20

Love this list! I too have a landfall themed Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis deck. What cards are you most excited about from Zendikar Rising?

September 16, 2020 1:18 p.m.

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