Interesting deck, +1

I like this deck a lot!!

Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, how easily can you pull 4 spells a turn

Hi goodair. Between the cantrips and the counterspells, it's not that difficult, but probably not consistent enough for a primary win condition. I just love the idea of the card, and have always looked for ways to make it work!

I was toying with replacing it with Ensnaring Bridge or something similar. Or perhaps Harbinger of the Tides as a 2 drop with a bounce effect.

You could definitely narrow down the amount of lands you have in this to 20 or 21.

Dispels, Echoing Truths, and AEtherize for the board?

Everybody is making decks with thing in the ice

TreeCat, Tyrannosary updated, thanks. Hamster2558, yeah seen a few delver builds as well. Feels like a much better version of the old suspend cards like Deep-Sea Kraken

Yeah i can see why people use Thing in the Ice  ^Flip so much though because it is amazing

Ancestral Vision

Seems like you could flip both of them on turn 3, but definitely on turn 4.

I mean, you'd have to have 3 Gitaxian Probes to do it turn 3 plus any one other one cost drop like Serum Visions (which the draw and Scry might just make that possible) and have played Thing in the Ice  ^Flip or Erayo, Soratami Ascendant turn 2 and the other one as first spell turn 3.

Hell you could actually flip 1 of them on turn 2 if you had 2 Islands, TitI (lol...), and then any combination of 4 Tormod's Crypt, Gitaxian Probe, and Claws of Gix (if you had them in there). That's 7 cards and you'd have seen at least 8 by turn 2, 9 if you went second. Better yet Erayo would be even more dynamic since its Enchantment effect would wreck plans flipped that early, and would require 1 less card to do it since you only need a 4th spell, not 4 additional spells like TitI.

Woah.

Not impossible, but would basically win the game right quick. Even easier and more likely turn 4. I have an old Suspend deck that used Tormod's Crypt and Claws of Gix as free drops to amplify Storm effects which would also work here.

My issue is that I don't have... let me check... yeah, any of these cards other than the islands and the sideboarded Tormod's Crypt and Dispel :)

I actually think I might have one "Oreo" from back in Kamigawa days buried somewhere in a card box of forgotten treasures, but the other $450 worth of cards will probably never hit my table. I could see this being incredibly effective and competitive, when I wake up a little more I will have to look for weaknesses and possible solutions but without doing that it appears there are plenty of draw cards to make this happen within the first several turns and plenty of counter to prevent whatever was going to be a problem anyways.

Oh, and +1, fun deck.

I just noticed that Kira, Great Glass-Spinner doesn't quite fit as well as I thought it would alongside Erayo, Soratami Ascendant because of how their abilities are worded.

Just wondering here, if they are both on the board and your opponent plays something like Lightning Bolt on one of your creatures or tries to Exile say a flipped TitI, Erayo will counter it. Now they can just target the same creature again with Exile or anything else because Kira's ability would have already been triggered as a counter because it states that whenever "this creature becomes the target of..." which happens as soon as the target is chosen whether it resolves or not.

Right?

I mean that's not to say take her out, it just points out a possible redundancy that might move her to the sideboard to make room for cheap spells to help Erayo or TitI flip faster. She does synergize quite well with Spellskite, but a flipped Erayo does the same thing really without having to hit yourself for 2 damage or spend any mana.

Having two ways to get the same job done isn't a bad thing, though. Just depends on playtesting and whether or not both are needed to win consistently. I would think that being able to flip Erayo and TitI at the same time within the first 4 maybe 5 turns would be enough to clinch a win, but I suppose there are enough ways to prevent that from happening (like Erayo getting burned down as a 1/1 before flipping can happen).

I'm just thinking out loud.

I just came back to this and I would totally swap quantities on Muddle the Mixture and Remand.

If you don't have TitI or Erayo in your start hand, but you do have Muddle the Mixture, turn three you transmute and now have TitI or Erayo since they all share 2cmc. That's huge.

In fact, if money was no object than I'd get rid of Remand altogether and give those two card slots to two more Vendilion Cliques. The 3/1 Flying surprise that is VC can cause more havoc and if your opponent doesn't have their own Flyers, Reach, or Control ready to stop them than they can just soar you to victory if your other plans don't come to fruition. You don't really have any other creatures that can beat down a win other than TitI, and if that gets controlled than you need another way to pull a win anyway.

I really wish this deck wasn't so astronomically expensive, I'd love to play it.

Hey Hobbez9186, thanks for all the feedback. Really useful! The thinking on Remand is hitting creature spells as well as instants and sorceries. Maybe swap the numbers mainboard and two remands in the sideboard. Because of the legend rule, I think maybe 3 x clique and cut 1 kira?

Sure, but only playtesting would tell for sure what the right mix will be. I definitely like the Clique, and she is just non-land so she can bury a creature too. Three would probably be enough. I still think Muddle has to get bumped to 3 or 4 because of the tutor aspect for the main combo but anything else is going to be situational. There's still two slots on the sideboard to work with as well.

I'm torn with Kira because she still throws a wrench in and buys time to get what you need. Two would probably be enough. Maybe 3 Muddle, 3 Remand, 2 Kira, 3 Clique? Seems like that could be a good mix.

Hey Hobbez9186 I'll do some play testing and will let you know!

Id say that you want 4x Snapcaster Mage. It's pure value when Thing in the Ice  ^Flip flips. The Muddle the Mixtures really aren't necessary. This isn't a combo deck, even if you really want that board wipe.

How do you get Erayo to flip? You only have 7 cantrips, which is how its usually done. I mean, its do-able but it can't happen very often. You won't be hitting 4 spells in the same turn until late late game, if you manage to have a hand size as large as 4 since you have no draw outside of cantrips.

As it sits now it would need to mainboard the Tormod's Crypt and Claws of Gix to drop the same turn you play Erayo. Otherwise, yeah, it looks like it would be difficult. Could happen turn 2 (with an unlikely starting hand), but more likely a few turns later. Even turn 3 playing Erayo (1), Vapor Snag, Serum Visions, or Gitaxian Probe (2), Crypt (3), Claws (4), flipped with only 3 mana down. Since Probe can be paid with life and the artifacts are 0 cost, there's a decent chance of it all happening quickly. Just depends on how many are in the mainboard. 2-3 of each would leave plenty of room for the rest of the deck and still have a decent shot at drawing the pieces you need early. Snapcaster is indeed a good card, but all he could do is flash in to counter something once by replaying a counter if you'd already played one. I suppose you could play him and then replay Visions or Probe for two cheap spells, but he'd still need the artifacts in hand to flip Erayo quickly, or likely at all.

Just my thoughts on it.

Hobbez9186 artifacts don't trigger Thing in the Ice  ^Flip. It's only instants and sorceries, you made that mistake in comment #11. I don't want to sound rude but I wanted to make sure you knew for future reference.

Yep, missed that. It does still work for Erayo, so it's still not a bad option :)

Thanks though, I overlooked that when I was trying to figure out how to flip both cards at the same time and I must have been too focused on Erayo.

You should conside Delver of Secrets  ^Flip. Goes nicely with Thing in the Ice  ^Flip.
I'd suggest to cut Erayo, Soratami Ascendant as you already have tons of counters and Spellskite / Kira, Great Glass-Spinner.

Totally a +1 for me. The only thing I am unsure about is Think Twice. With all the draw effects you already have, is it really necessary to have this one? Maybe drop it to go up on the remands or cryptic commands?

On a side note, "on the rocks" already means "with ice", so your name is super confusing for me :P. Is it purposely like that, or was that accidentally paradoxical?

Oh, also Phyrexian Revoker might be good to consider for the same reasons as spellskite

primtj17. Thanks! The Darkness song (youtube it).

Spellskite's a horror lol