OpenFire, this one is more of a Soul SIsters deck than it is a b/w token deck.
June 23, 2014 1:33 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #5
This is an awesome build with tons of synergy. Have you tested it much against the current modern meta? I think lifegain decks and token decks have a nice hole in the meta that they can exploit right now and this deck is both. You may need a little more help against Twin variants in the sideboard, but your opponents wouldn't know what hit them when they played against this build.
Great deck! +1.
June 23, 2014 7:47 p.m.
Sideboard: Stony Silence , Chalice of the Void , Batwing Brume , perchance Darkblast for Affinity
June 23, 2014 10:03 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #8
BattleWalrus: Ah, gotcha. I missed a word in there. But yeah, it is a shame.
CurdBrosBrewingCo: Thanks for checking out the deck! I'm glad you guys like it. I'm still working on the sideboard (obviously), but I like OpenFire's suggestions a lot (thanks, OpenFire.)
I played this deck three rounds in casual games today against a Rakdos aggro minotaur deck, and won 3-0, each time with a different win con: Mercy Killing elf swarm from a blown up Pridemate in round 1, Sanguine Bond in round 2, and double planeswalkers in round 3.
I don't know if it's quite ready for competitive play yet, since storm decks tend to take the prize more often than not, but it's an awful lot of fun to play with.
June 24, 2014 3:08 a.m.
slovakattack says... #10
You may want to sideboard a little artifact hate, if only because Torpor Orb exists.
June 25, 2014 2:23 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #11
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Rule of Law and Eidolon of Rhetoric help if you're worried about Storm.
I'd agree with slovakattack for more reasons than just Torpor Orb ...artifact hate in the board is useful.
Suture Priest is good against Twin decks, but Spellskite is another nice piece of potential tech against them. Now it's just a matter of how you combat pod and American control. Some Rest in Peace and/or Relic of Progenitus in the sideboard could help. Pithing Needle shuts lots of stuff down too.
June 25, 2014 3:21 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #12
MindAblaze!: Those are all great suggestions, and I appreciate that they are all budget-appropriate. Thanks for the advice! I'll be working on the sideboard this weekend and will probably incorporate several of these, suggestions, as well as those from slovakattack and OpenFire.
June 25, 2014 3:29 p.m.
How about adding Exquisite Blood its a usefull card for this deck and its a victory/combo when used together with Sanguine Bond
June 25, 2014 5:49 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #14
Kossie: I used to have Exquisite Blood in here (I run it in my vampire deck, Heartbleed, but I'm trying to keep the mana cost as low as possible on this deck, and so far, I have had no need for the infinite combo.
June 25, 2014 5:52 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #15
Killing Wave could be brutal here, perhaps alongside Forbidden Orchard . You may want something like Ghostly Prison and/or Silent Arbiter to slow the opponent down.
I'm not a fan of Sanguine Bond . Sorin, Lord of Innistrad could impact the game more, and earlier.
June 27, 2014 1:55 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #16
aeonstoremyliver: Thanks for some good suggestions. I really like Killing Wave and when I have the money, I'll definitely add Forbidden Orchard . I didn't know that card existed!
I was also thinking about Illness in the Ranks . Would be awesome when Blood Artist is down.
June 27, 2014 2 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #18
aeonstoremyliver: What do you think about Norn's Annex as a budget replacement for Ghostly Prison ?
June 27, 2014 2:55 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #19
No prob! Norn's Annex is horrible. Life is a resource, whereas hampering their mana is a better play.
June 27, 2014 3:22 p.m.
slovakattack says... #20
Norn's Annex can be pretty good with Exquisite Blood , but I'm not sure that's the combo that you want to run in this deck. (It could work, though.)
June 27, 2014 3:30 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #21
aeonstoremyliver: I'm thinking specifically to sideboard against Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Splinter Twin combos... It should be perfectly effective against that, right?
June 27, 2014 7:35 p.m.
I don't have too much time, so I will keep it short, once :).
Basicly the Idea is not bad. You could abuse the strategy a bit more with a couple of other good support-cards.
But 1st of all 2 things:
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad becomes very poor to "+1" if you get to have an Illness in the Ranks out. You can do better than that.
Norn's Annex ? I hope you mean Ghostly Prison .
Now to some good picks:
Forbidden Orchard has obvious synergies.
Hunted Horror = 7/7 trample; triggers your abilitis; weakened tokens even worse at chumping it? Guess it's worth a try.
As Forbidden Orchard fixes mana, one could add even better dudes like Hunted Phantasm and/or Hunted Troll with even fewer downsides, but great potential (by adjusing the mana-base a bit).
As promised keeping it short. Hope my hints were helpful.
GL & HF.
June 29, 2014 5:36 p.m.
NoSoyYucateco says... #24
Thanks for your feedback, chill4r. I am considering almost all of these cards.
We discussed adding Ghostly Prison earlier here, but it's just out of my budget for the time being. Norn's Annex works perfectly well as a sideboard against Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Splinter Twin combos. When I have the money to spend, I will swap them out for Ghostly Prison .
I actually don't mind that the tokens die immediately with Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and Elspeth, Knight-Errant while Illness in the Ranks is down, provided that I have a Deathgreeter or Blood Artist out. Even if those aren't out, they still trigger Soul Warden and Suture Priest . The potential devastation that Illness in the Ranks can cause with Mercy Killing and Ajani's Pridemate make it a great fit for this deck.
Hunted Horror is a good recommendation. Do you have any suggestions for what I might swap them out for?
I already have Forbidden Orchard in the maybeboard. Again, right now, it's a matter of budget. I will add them when I can. The two blue and two green mana costs in Hunted Phantasm and Hunted Troll might be hard for me to splash for, and the cards are probably too slow for this build anyway, but they would work well in a different version of this deck.
June 29, 2014 8:54 p.m.
Glad you replied so swiftly.
I would recommend playing Soul's Attendant
over Deathgreeter
for two reasons, basicly.
1st of all Attendant fits the mana-base a few better, because planing T1 (W) is more sustained than T1 (W/B).
The second point is the quality, as for a creature to die, it requires for it to enter the battlefield, so Soul's Attendant
will alway trigger "earlier".
The only upside Deathgreeter
has, is his immunity to Torpor Orb
, which will be sided in against you, but this card messes your deck up so much, that it probably won't even matter, wether you have a few more cards countered by it.
Also, as your main-strategy is not lifegain, and as you have a lot of effects providing it, I would not play 8 "Sisters"-effects, but ~6-7.
This should fit the 1-Drop rate, but still reduce the chance of deaddrawing.
I cannot recommend running 4 Blood Scrivener
. There are two factors, that make him a non-4-off.
He is not always good (flexibility). Often he will be just a 2/1, as his conditions are quitte specific.
Another disadvantage of playing 4 is, that having two of them out is pretty useless, even with no cards in the hand.
In the end, Banishing Light is a good removal, but just not worth being played as a 4-off. I guess shoving one and substituting another for a Path to Exile should do better.
Elspeth is great, as she has only upside-effects, but I stick to my point, that Sorin is not good enough and also rising the avgCMC.
If you are interested I might help you reworking the sideboard.
Hope I was able to help you.
GL & HF
OpenFire says... #1
I call upon the deck powers of the BW Tokens master, the one and only, xzzane!
June 23, 2014 1:28 p.m.