marlonmikami says... #2
What are the rules about downshifted creatures? If an uncommon creature is later printed at common, does it become an illegal commander?
April 27, 2020 8:38 a.m.
@marlonmikami: No, if a creature has ever been printed at Uncommon it is a legal commander. Same for cards that have been printed at common and then Uncommon, they are still legal to use in your 99.
April 27, 2020 9:34 a.m.
Wait are you saying you don't allow commons as commanders? I have a Thornscape Apprentice who would be very disappointed - especially as there are no good Naya alternatives for the deck :P
Also how do you feel about Planeswalkers? We did some fairly extensive testing for 1v1 and found even the best ones were no better than an uncommon creature. But I guess its a different dynamic in multiplayer? ^^
May 3, 2020 4:52 p.m.
Podkomorka says... #5
@Reach229 Unfortunately only creatures that have been Uncommon at one point can be your legal commander. But don't be upset with what you've made, I don't think anyone would have an issue with you playing your deck if you ask!
Walker are in the same boat, ask first and it will most likely be ok until the walker is winning every game with the group haha. There are maybe one or two pretty good commanders out of the walkers but the majority are as strong as your average commander if not worse.
May 3, 2020 7:22 p.m.
Has the Home Base site moved? The link isn't working and the address takes me to a page saying it's not connected to a website.
May 26, 2020 12:08 p.m.
Podkomorka says... #7
Hagdorm the site is down until we figure out how to get it up again :( sorry
May 26, 2020 8:49 p.m.
Hey, can you guys help me?! Why is that deck not PEDH legal (tappedout says it..)?!
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/golgari-elfball-pauper-edh/
June 14, 2020 7:36 a.m.
@oeliberti: TappedOut has an issue with PDH decks saying they are illegal because of the commander. They are using the legalities for Pauper so every commander that has never been printed at common is flagged as "illegal" even though they are legal to use.
June 14, 2020 8:05 a.m.
DemMeowsephs says... #10
First Sentence: building instead of budding. :) Sorry I had to
September 8, 2020 8:41 p.m.
@DemMeowsephs: All is forgiven, if you play Pauper EDH.
September 9, 2020 8:53 a.m.
sneekygoblin says... #14
I like the idea of this format, i think there could be one small improvement, however. Especially with the new commander draft set coming out, there are enough common and uncommon legendary creatures to reinstate that particular limitation. Using any uncommon creature is only necessary if there arent enough legendaries to make a diverse meta, but scryfall is showing 142 possible commanders at common or uncommon, many of which have the partner ability. This should be more than enough possibilities to limit your command zone options and realign the format with "real" commander. My two cents any way :)
November 5, 2020 1:55 a.m.
griffstick says... #15
Regular edh has 982 legends this doesn't include planswalkers before cmdr legends.
Pauper edh has 3,591 uncommon cards that it can use before cmdr legends.
Pauper edh has 12 common legends.
Pauper edh has 103 uncommon legends.
Alot of the legends are bad like Lady Orca
November 5, 2020 8:23 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #16
Ugh some of the new partner pairings are great here. I'm basically able to scrap all my old decks and get way better stuff now w/ legends coming out!
November 5, 2020 9:06 a.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #17
The new cards coming out in commander legends are so gunna warp this format.
November 5, 2020 9:11 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #18
Ofc fam, Araumi of the Dead Tide is my favorite imo, getting back a Peregrine Drake 3 times for 15 mana.
November 5, 2020 9:32 a.m.
sneekygoblin says... #19
griffstick LADY ORCA IS A FINE VOLTRON COMMANDER YOU TAKE THAT BACK!! lol I'm just saying, at this point I think the format loses by being so different from "real" edh. Make it 40 life, make it 21 commander damage, and make the commander a legend (or set of partners). Like, are you really gaining anything by playing "Baleful Strix" over, I dunno, "Siani + Falthis?" Granted I think (and always have thought) the partner mechanic is completely busted and I hate it but at a certain point... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em I guess. Restrictions breed creativity, you dont need 3500 commander options, that's even more than regular edh.
November 5, 2020 9:57 a.m.
Part of the appeal of the format is that it is different than regular EDH. It shares some similarities, but the reason most people play is that using Uncommons opens up a lot of playstyles and possibilities that are not possible in EDH. It's not supposed to be EDH but bad, it's own unique format like Brawl or Tiny Leaders with its own meta and playstyles. I'd recommend building some decks and playing some games before jumping to conclusions about the format.
November 5, 2020 10:16 a.m.
sneekygoblin says... #21
Ruffigan I mean, pauper is basically just legacy but bad, haha. I don't think it's unfair to say that pauper edh is mostly just going to be a lower powered edh, but that is part of the fun! Get those two for ones, win the slow grind! Try to assemble a super wonky combo!
As to your two examples of "sorta edh but not," Tiny leaders is already dead and I don't think many people play brawl either (except maybe on arena?).
The benefit of making the minor changes that I'm proposing is you don't have to spend nearly as long explaining how it is different and you don't have to spend any time at all explaining whether or not cards printed at rare that have also been printed at uncommon are legal... a lot of questions like that in this thread. Plus decklists won't be rejected by MTGO or tappedout or whatever, they will literally be legal commander decks.
My point might be moot anyway though, since having two dudes in the command zone is likely to beat almost all the non-legendary uncommons. In a format with very little mass removal, partners is just going to win through sheer attrition.
November 5, 2020 10:31 a.m.
Pauper EDH is already a format that is coded legally on TappedOut and Moxfield, and has been a format for almost 10 years with thousands of players. It has the same legalities as Pauper. Not to mention many of the best decks are non-legendaries (only two Legends are top tier currently, and a majority of the legends are the same or worse than hundreds of uncommon creatures). But again, I would suggest building some decks and playing before suggesting radical changes to the format.
November 5, 2020 10:39 a.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #23
I've actually enjoyed playing my Tatyova deck at normal mid-high power tables. It's nice to squeeze out a win with some commons
November 5, 2020 12:13 p.m.
sneekygoblin says... #24
Ruffigan I totally get what you're saying, but 10 years ago when this format was created, it NEEDED some special mechanism to allow you to have low rarity commanders. There simply weren't enough options (besides Lady Orca and her ilk). I also understand that currently out of the top tier decks, only Tatyova is a legend. As I've kind of been saying though, Commander Legends in general (and the partners in particular) are likely to dominate the top tier once they are established. If I'm right about that, does it still make sense to allow random uncommons as commanders just for funsies? You could just "rule 0" them like the uncommon planeswalkers...
From my perspective, I'm not trying to change the format, Commander Legends is going to do that all on its own. This is just an opportunity to clean up something that had a somewhat inelegant fix previously, a fix that is no longer needed. You could think of it like doing away with mana burn.
Anyways though, as you pointed out, I haven't actually jammed any games of PDH, but I AM interested. I'll have to see if I can convince my local playgroup :)
Question: Which of these options best describes the majority of your games of PDH?
A.)Competitive 1v1
B.)Casual 1v1 (is this even a thing?)
C.)Competitive Multiplayer
D.)Casual Multiplayer (games where you jam a PDH deck in a regular EDH pod don't count! You're not playing PDH unless EVERYONE is playing PDH)
The fact that there is a curated tier list makes me think this community tends towards the competitive side.
November 5, 2020 3:24 p.m.
@sneekygoblin: Most games you'll find are going to be casual multiplayer. While there are "top tier" decks like Tatyova, Benthic Druid, Disciple of Deceit, Ley Weaver/Lore Weaver, Zada, etc. basically all of these decks come down to some variation of a Ghostly Flicker/Freed from the Real combo or something where the commander is a unique combo piece like Izzet Guildmage or Malcom, Keen-Eyed Navigator. That is to say, most of the cPDH decks are like cEDH where there are a lot of variations of similar concepts. Where the format diversifies and shines are the mid-to-high power decks, which have a ton of variation and commander choices. Because the decks are so cheap, it is possible to have multiples of both cPDH and PDH decks for the cost of an average EDH deck.
I agree the Partners will most likely affect the format, just as they did with EDH, but not in a bad way; I think it will actually help to diversify the top-end of PDH while the lower-power partners will find their place in casual games or not at all. As exciting as some of them are there are still similar or better options for a lot of combinations available at Uncommon.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the Legendary rule, I think using any uncommon is a feature, not a bug.
Also, if you are looking to play the PDH Homebase discord linked in the Primer has online play groups looking to play most days.
bmcconnell11 says... #1
Wheres your red column? EDIT: FOUND IT!
April 17, 2020 9:04 p.m. Edited.