Pay 20 life or you lose

Modern karn862

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karn862 says... #1

Nevm : It's true the deck is rather focused on an all-or-nothing outcome, and it gets harder once you reach 5-8 life.A few suggestions if you want some finishers when you're low on life :

July 27, 2015 7:10 p.m.

Darkmagi1131 says... #2

I used Moltensteel Dragon as a heavy beater. It can come down turn 4 at a cost of 4 life and also has the pump ability of the igniter as well as flying!

July 27, 2015 11:18 p.m.

Nevm says... #3

karn862 I think that we don't really need another win condition but we need more consistency setting up the existing combo.

Of course Children of Korlis into Vizkopa Guildmage into Immolating Souleater into turn 4 win is ideal, but this doesn't work out when we are missing one of the cards. Sanguine Bond is often a dead card in hand due to being so costly, and most of my games have issues when I can't draw into a Vizkopa Guildmage. I'm also not sure I like Intervention Pact just because it is SUCH a tempo killer. The problem can be best stated as: We need to get the combo out ASAP, but that is turn 4/5. We need lots of life to make the combo work, but usually by turn 4/5 we are at 10 life or even less. So either we need a way to make the combo faster, or a way to stall the game while we try to get the combo ready. Souls of the Faultless is a great way to do the latter, but it's only one card and you can't rely on getting it.

I think the solution is to go all-in on the combo and try to find ways to get the guildmage earlier. Unfortunately there are no real good tutors in modern. I think Beseech the Queen or Shred Memory are the only options. Unfortunately they wouldn't really be better than sanguine bond in the best case (tutor on turn three -> guildmage turn 4, activate guildmage on turn 5) which is the same turn we could expect to get bond out. Still, we would have a better chance of having either guildmage or bond in hand.

I'm still thinking of new ways to make this deck faster. Although, I'm not discounting the possibility of looking for better ways to stall as well.

July 30, 2015 5:16 p.m.

fnaw17 says... #4

+1 :D, changed the deck a bit, 4x sanguine bond => 4x phyresis, 4x pain's reward => 4x Vampire Nighthawk.

won me several modern tourneys in my area this week nice deck man :D

August 2, 2015 8:52 a.m.

Darkmagi1131 says... #5

Hey man do you mind linking the phyresis?

August 2, 2015 10:18 p.m.

------ says... #6

Very nice deck man, and it's even budget!Although, I would replace Immolating Souleater with Moltensteel Dragon, which comes as a 4-drop. Keep up the good work! ;)

August 3, 2015 5:36 a.m.

Darkmagi1131 says... #7

Auctually while Moltensteel Dragon is a good choice I think it's better in the place of Intervention Pact. Intervention Pact is too much of a tempo killer but I think it's definitely needed in the sideboard. Also rather then focus on the Viskopa Guildmage use the Tainted Sigils and Children of Korlis as they will allow you to get a 10 point hit in turn 3 without major loss of life.

August 3, 2015 6:32 a.m.

Nevm says... #8

Darkmagi1131: I'm not sure what you mean about ignoring the Guildmage. Vizkopa Guildmage and Sanguine Bond are the only effects that allow us to do damage. Neither Children of Korlis nor Tainted Sigil allows us to hit for 10

August 3, 2015 8 p.m.

Darkmagi1131 says... #9

Ahh but they do... T1 Children of Korlis T2 Immolating Souleater T3 play Tainted Sigil then swing and pump using 18 life. After hitting pop either or both of Children of Korlis/Tainted Sigil you hit them for 10 you either gain back to 20 thanks to Children of Korlis or go to 30 from Tainted Sigil. Or pop both and go to 48.

August 3, 2015 9:24 p.m.

Nevm says... #10

Darkmagi1131 That is very misleading; saying they allow you to hit for 10 on turn 3 while assuming you have Immolating Souleater and also assuming that your opponent has no creatures on the board and no removal in hand... those cards are not hitting for 10.

August 3, 2015 9:33 p.m.

Darkmagi1131 says... #11

Never said it was the only way of doing it but that's how I've gotten most of my hits in... usually the Immolating Souleater gets ignored I tend to play very recklessly with the deck and it works for me. It's not misleading, it's my playstyle. And it's an option beyond relying only on the bond or the guildmage. Just relying on them IMO hamstrings the deck and doesn't allow you to pull out the full range of options.

August 3, 2015 10:07 p.m.

Nevm says... #12

Darkmagi1131 I'm not sure you understood me; I said that your comment was misleading.

You said: "[...] use the Tainted Sigils and Children of Korlis as they will allow you to get a 10 point hit in turn 3 without major loss of life."

These cards obviously don't have any effect that deals damage, so I asked what you meant. You responded that what you meant was, using another card never mentioned in the previous post and assuming that no one blocks you, you could use the stated cards to regain the life you spend in order to pump the creature. That is what was misleading.

August 5, 2015 2:49 p.m.

Nevm says... #13

As for the deck, I think both Wall of Blood and Rite of Consumption have some synergy here.

August 5, 2015 2:58 p.m.

TheLivingCME says... #14

Love this deck. Have you thought running Perimeter Captain and Wall of Omens?

August 7, 2015 6:36 p.m.

Worship is needed.you should get it. i have the same deck except with phrexian unlife. Im definitely getting children of the korlis. Check out my deck if you want. I'm Jonathanthedeckbuilder!!!!!!!!

August 7, 2015 7:17 p.m.

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August 7, 2015 7:19 p.m.

im still mad my deck was copied though.

August 7, 2015 7:20 p.m.

Darkmagi1131 says... #18

Might I point out you don't have a deck even similar to this on your profile? And it's not like your the only one in the world to come up with an idea

August 8, 2015 12:47 a.m.

karn862 says... #19

TheLivingCME: Thanks for the suggestions. I must admit i wouldn't know what to replace for these cards. They might be nice to stall a little and gain some life, but the point here is usually to handle bigger chuncks of life.

jonathanthedeckbuilder: Thanks for the multiple and totally unnecessary comments. Worship doesn't fix anything because it works only for damage and not for life loss. And if you end up at 1 life, you won't be able to actually pay life ...

Darkmagi1131: Thanks mate, don't bother with this guy, he's hilarious. I could say my deck was added to tappedout 3 months before he created his account but who cares. I must have read his mind (probably a traumatic experience :p).

August 8, 2015 5:16 a.m.

TheLivingCME says... #20

Mmm, I would suggest you to remove the Intervention Pacts and 2 Sanguine Bonds, so that you can run 4 Wall of Omens: that draw will help you a lot getting together your combo(s). :)

Perimeter Captain, well, it's personal preference. If you grow unsatisfied of some cards, run him, basically. :P

August 8, 2015 5:34 a.m.

karn862 says... #21

Well considering 4 Wall of Omens cost 1/3 of the current deck price i'll pass for now. But for anyone willing to up the budget, it might indeed get the combo pieces a little bit faster.

August 8, 2015 9:53 a.m.

Wow this is probably the most clever and unique deck I've seen in a while! +2 if I could! :) this would be such a curve ball

Here are a few other cards that could fit:

Tainted Remedy: more sangromancy shenanigans

Alms Beast: good with Remedy, other shenanigans

Athreos, God of Passage: Children shenanigans

Phyrexian Unlife: pay down to zero life. Shenanigans.

August 11, 2015 5:31 a.m.

karn862 says... #23

Jimmy_Chinchila: Happy you like it so much and thanks for the suggestions.

For Tainted Remedy and Alms Beast i feel they deserve to build around in another deck, especially since i can't give life to an opponent in this deck.

Phyrexian Unlife: It suffers from the same limitation as Worship. Once i reach 1 life or less i can't pay life anymore, and the deck as it is becomes rather useless.

Athreos, God of Passage: Good card indeed but costs more than the deck :p

August 11, 2015 6:04 a.m.

GTTX says... #24

August 14, 2015 4:23 a.m.

A_Magikarp says... #25

Man, I love decks like this. +1 from me!

Depending on what's considered budget, maybe Rhox Faithmender? Maybe a bit slow as a 4-drop for the combo, but stays relevant later with his lifelink and ability; wouldn't have to crack a second Child of Korlis or Tainted Sigil for a kill combo either.

I'll definitely keep thinking on it. A really fun looking deck. :D

August 15, 2015 8:58 a.m.

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