JakeHarlow says... #2
Ensoul Artifact just makes me want to make a deck of my own like this!
Ah, artifacts. So exciting.
July 3, 2014 9:37 p.m.
Izzet Keyrune ?? maybe? idk I am at a loss, this looks sweet lol
July 3, 2014 11:36 p.m.
BorosPlayer says... #4
July 4, 2014 1:39 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #7
Take a look at Artificer's Burn, if you'd be so kind.
It's built for rotation, no silly pre theros cards.
July 4, 2014 6:55 a.m.
Dissipate is better than Cancel .
I would probably use 1 or 2 Izzet Keyrune . Ramp + a creature when you need it. Can also give you card draw if your opponent has an empty board, which is really nice.
Maybe take out Young Pyromancer ? I understand why he's in there and his synergy with convoke and dudes to sac to Trading Post but I feel like there will be times when he under-performs here. I also think he's making you run more instants than you normally would in an artifact deck. Maybe take them out for 2 keyrunes and a third Trading Post . I feel like you want three of those in here.
Rapid Hybridization is also something to consider. Maybe it's just my local meta, but there's enough Polukranos, World Eater Desecration Demon Arbor Colossus etc. running around that being able to downgrade them into a much more manageable 3/3 is invaluable. Maybe instead of Shock , though if your local meta is more weenie aggro oriented I could see Shock being more important.
I also like main-deck Phyrexian Revoker There are enough planeswalkers + Pack Rat Mutavault and Underworld Connections in the meta that I think 2 main doesn't hurt. And unlike Pithing Needle he still gives you a body, which cuts down on the potential drawback against a deck where his ability isn't terribly useful.
Just some thoughts, love the deck and will probably build something similar after the release of M15.
July 4, 2014 7:35 a.m.
Two new cards to take into consideration:Stoke the Flames and Generator Servant , especially the first one. With that many creatures to tap for convoke, that could be quite a nice addition. The servant works well the Doom Engine, you know... hasty Doom Engine into Shrapnel Blast could be devastating!
July 4, 2014 9:26 a.m.
And just my humble opinion: I guess I would choose the fourth Doom Engine over Darksteel Forge , as it is a bit redundant with Soul of New Phyrexia and nonbo-ish with Trading Post and Shrapnel Blast , but that's highly dependant on your meta and the way you like to play. Anyway, +1 from me, I will definitely have fun playtesting it!
July 4, 2014 9:30 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #11
Thank you for all of the suggestions everyone! I'll try to respond to each, but let me know if I forgot something. And as I hit "Preview your post" I get that my bracket count doesn't match. Damnit.
@ Crazedsteno88 -- I'm not sure if he works with Trading Post like NUCLE4R suggested, but either way that's still one card he interacts well with. Hopefully with Khans we'll get some better options to use him.
@ JakeHarlow -- I'm excited for T2 indestructible 5/5 that produces mana if I need it.
@ GamerSonX -- See below for Izzet Keyrune response.
@ BorosPlayer -- Made the swap.
@ FaustHarbinger -- It's just an Ornithopter ;P Or my T2 5/5 flying beatstick as I'm going to refer to it now.
@ Schuesseled -- I'd love to check it out!
@ Skraz1265 -- Thanks for all of your thoughts. I'll try to touch on all of them in order.
- Didn't see that Dissipate was reprinted until now. Change made
- I'm hesitant about the Izzet Keyrune . I want to avoid adding more cards that will rotate out soon, but I can see it being useful. I'll entertain the suggestion of removing Young Pyromancer for two Izzet Keyrune s and another Trading Post , and see what other people think. Also, this isn't like artifacts like many of us know it - there isn't anything in this deck that benefits from more artifacts like an affinity build.
- I think Rapid Hybridization would work much better, however it is another card that rotates soon...Ah well, I'll live now and worry about it in a few months.
- Where could Phyrexian Revoker fit in the maindeck?
@ Sersorias -- My consideration of Stoke the Flames will come after we decide what to do with Young Pyromancer . Without her, I lose a lot of convoking ability, but probably gain more utility. I was thinking about Generator Servant , but he's pretty similar to a one-time use Chief Engineer . As for Darksteel Forge -- I can still sacrifice indestructible creatures, but they can't be destroyed. Right...?
What are everyone's thoughts on removing Young Pyromancer in favor of 2x Izzet Keyrune and another Trading Post ? Should she stay? Should she be removed for these cards? Different Cards?
July 4, 2014 10:45 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #12
Yes you can sacrifice indestructible creatures.
I would run generator servant in the place of they pyromancer, but that's only because im avoiding pre theros stuff. Do some playtesting with both perhaps.
July 4, 2014 11:24 a.m.
Indeed you can. But you could even block with an Ornithopter and then sacrifice it to Shrapnel Blast . It's just... well, why bother with making your artifacts indestructible when you are going to get rid of them anyway, you know? It's like creating beautiful cannonballs and then shooting them at your opponent =D I suppose what I want to say is: Maybe there is something that works better with your overall gameplan!
July 4, 2014 11:49 a.m.
It's true that you don't need a bunch of artifacts on the board like affinity does, but you also want to make sure you have plenty of targets for Ensoul Artifact , Shrapnel Blast , and Trading Post .
Phyrexian Revoker could go in the slot of the Izzet Keyrune if you didn't want to run them, or maybe in place of a couple of your counterspells. Six seems like it could be more than you might need, and revoker would shut down some of the things you might need to counter, anyway.
You're right, this is a very different kind of artifact deck than we've seen, at least in a very long time. It's probably going to need a lot of play-testing to work out the kinks and to figure out what's optimal, so I'm just throwing out ideas. Good luck to you with the testing, though.
July 4, 2014 12:19 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #15
What does everyone think of a singleton Bident of Thassa for some card draw? It can come out easily with Chief Engineer as well, and can send their creatures into my late-game indestructible Doom Engines and SoNP's.
@ Schuesseled -- I'm going to try out both. I don't like the one-time use of the Servant, but maybe that's all I need to get ahead.
@ Sersorias -- I only have four straight-up artifact sac'ing cards, and I can recur those with Trading Post if I need to. Plus, it also protects from a lot of removal and board wipes.
@ Skraz1265 -- Another problem with Phyrexian Revoker is that he is yet another 2-drop. My T2 plays are extremely crowded right now, I'd rather run the Keyrune for a good T3 play. I really appreciate your suggestions, let me know if you have more :)
July 4, 2014 1:36 p.m.
I think a single Bident of Thassa isn't a terrible idea. Seems like you wouldn't get the most out of it though, since you'll probably be attacking with just one or two big guys most of the time. Still would probably net you a few cards, though, which can be all you need to seal the deal sometimes.
On a similar note, Hammer of Purphoros could give you some card advantage. While it doesn't draw you cards, it does turn your excess land into creatures in the mid-late game, which is great against control or just a stalled board. Artifact creatures no less, so you can use them to fuel a top-deck Shrapnel Blast . Not to mention haste is always nice on your big guys.
July 4, 2014 2:40 p.m.
FaustHarbinger says... #17
thats fine I just noticed you had cards subsituting for other cards and you still had this deck labeled as standard. You'll have to change it to Modern or Casual otherwise because Ornithopter is not standard legal.
July 4, 2014 2:42 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #18
@ Skraz1265 -- I was treating Hammer of Purphoros as a mana-sink, and that's what SoNP has been doing for me. I'll probably add one of the two. I didn't think of a Shrapnel Blast with the Hammer though... That would be handy.
@ FaustHarbinger -- Ornithopter is being reprinted in M15.
July 4, 2014 3:10 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #19
Alright guys, thoughts on this?
Dropping one of each of the following: Chief Engineer , Lightning Strike , Young Pyromancer , and one of the two counterspells.
For: 2x Izzet Keyrune , Hammer of Purphoros , and Bident of Thassa .
July 4, 2014 3:15 p.m.
I'm not too keen on dropping a Chief Engineer , but the rest sounds ok. He just seems too important for the deck to be able to play the Soul and the Doom Engine in a timely manner.
I'm actually in favor of dropping the Dissipate entirely. Until graveyard shenanigans become prevalent in the meta, I just don't see it being better than the scry from Dissolve . Maybe keep the engineer, dropping a second Dissipate in its place and the third for either a fourth Dissipate or a fourth Shrapnel Blast . I think the deck's aggressive enough that you should really only need a few counters to stop Anger of the Gods when you have a bunch of little guys out, or the occasional Disenchant effect from getting rid of your big threats.
July 4, 2014 3:36 p.m.
That last Dissipate in my previous post was supposed to be a Dissolve . Damned 3cmc counterspells with such similar names >.<
July 4, 2014 3:37 p.m.
FaustHarbinger says... #22
oops sorry bout that. I missed that on the spoiler.
July 4, 2014 3:43 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #23
I think I'm going to go for a more creature less approach forgetting Christmas land convoke strata and using ornithopter as my only creature.
July 4, 2014 3:55 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #24
Take another look if you don't mind Artificer's Dictate.
July 4, 2014 4:10 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #25
@ Skraz1265 -- I'd prefer to have at least 4 counterspells. Preferably 5. I'll propose new changes below.
@ FaustHarbinger -- It's all good!
@ Schuesseled -- Not sure what your post was (#29). Autocorrect thinking it's helping, maybe? Maybe I'm being dumb? I'll take another look.
How about these changes:
Drop 3x Young Pyromancer , 3x Lightning Strike , and a Dissipate
For 2x Izzet Keyrune , Hammer of Purphoros , Bident of Thassa , and 3x Dakra Mystic ?
If not all 3 Strikes, how about 1 for another land?
NUCLE4R says... #1
I don't know if he can work with trading post because it requires mana before you can tap the card. Therefore kurkesh wouldn't be able to active his own ability on the stack because of his restrictions.
July 3, 2014 9:26 p.m.