royal_assassin79 says... #2
@ducttapedeckbox -- Ah I see, if your committing to 100% mill for win condition then your deck list is potent indeed. Watch out for Witchbane Orbs and Rest in Peace as they are the Achilles heel for mill decks.
March 31, 2013 11:20 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #3
@ royal_assassin79 -- Witchbane Orb and Rest in Peace can all easily be dealt with through the control aspect of the deck. Additionally, the Orb can't stop Consuming Aberration or Mind Grind .
March 31, 2013 11:28 a.m.
Have you considered Mortus Strider as a chump blocker?
March 31, 2013 11:40 p.m.
Mind giving thoughts on my mill deck? its all mill thanks
April 1, 2013 12:32 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #6
@ YungBakes -- Yes, but it doesn't contribute to any mill, which is why I do not run it.
@ dbrannon -- Will check it out!
April 1, 2013 3:14 p.m.
I was hoping you might check out my deck if you have time. It plays well against aggroish decks, even if the aberration gets taken out early.
April 1, 2013 9:36 p.m.
Casablanca says... #10
Would Dying Wish be a reasonable idea as a separate wincon for abberation?If abberation dies with over 20 cards milled, then that's basically game, and it also serves as protection for it, unless your opponent has oodles of chump blockers.
April 2, 2013 6:55 a.m.
That is an insanely awesome combo that I wish I'd seen when I was building mine. That's going on the maybeboard for sure.
April 2, 2013 12:19 p.m.
FlyinTurtle says... #12
Hi just a quick question, I'm fairly new to magic and love the idea of milling. When I looked trough the gatecrash cards Paranoid Delusions stood out and I wanted to ask whx you didnt choose it for your deck.Cheers
April 2, 2013 3:31 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #13
Thanks for the comments, and don't for to +1 if you haven't already!
@ Casablanca -- Yes, Dying Wish would be a viable win condition for use with Consuming Aberration . However, with the current state of the deck, I don't think it would be efficient. With decks that don't run outrageously-priced cards, cards that only interact with one other card are highly unpredictable and unreliable.
@ Saion -- Just make sure that its sole purpose isn't to be used with Consuming Aberration ; without one out, it could be a dead-draw.
@ FlyinTurtle -- Paranoid Delusions is a good card with unblockable creatures such as Invisible Stalker . Unless you have means to cipher every turn (essentially exclusive to unblockable creatures), it is an inefficient card. I'd be happy to answer any other questions regarding the construction and strategy of this deck.
April 2, 2013 4:23 p.m.
I'm definitely only keeping it in mind for future testing. it seems good but as you said, a dead draw when I'm counting on it might be more detrimental than actually having it to win with.
April 2, 2013 5:31 p.m.
Casablanca says... #15
Oh, you don't have to use Dying Wish with just Consuming Aberration , put it on a Jace's Phantasm when you have 10 milled already and your opponent might think twice about killing it.
Nonetheless, Dying Wish works best with Aberration, yes, but it also forces your opponent to make different decisions.
April 2, 2013 8:31 p.m.
feyn_do_alduin says... #16
Hey man any chance I could get you to look at my dimir deck?I'm trying to figure out how to make it much more competitive for FNM/GP events, any comments/criticisms would be appreciated!
April 2, 2013 10:50 p.m.
What about something like Essence Harvest might work nice when you are having trouble milling or something but then again not sure what you would take out for it. Kinda situational.
April 3, 2013 5 p.m.
Hey ducttapedeckbox , I am new to mtg, in fact I just started 2 days ago. I started out by playing with my friend using his milling deck and golgari deck. I tried making a boros aggro, however I am intrigued by the concept of milling. Is your deck a good deck to start out with, is it possible to make your deck a little more aggro without changing the framework too much? I copied your deck to my page, and changed a few things. Your feedback is much appreciated. Perfection of Milling copy- with a few changes
April 3, 2013 6:51 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #19
@ Casablanca -- I agree, but it seems to be less effective that many of the other cards in this deck. Many games I end up with very few creatures simply because I don't draw them. It is something I'll consder though.
@ feyn_do_alduin -- Will check out it! (Given that I remember)
@ Teqima -- I am not running it because, as you said, it's situational. For this deck to stand up to the current aggro and other competitive decks, it needs to run cards that work regardless of what's going on.
@ madb1111 -- I will respond on your iteration of the deck.
April 3, 2013 8:07 p.m.
TriforceJunkie says... #20
Hey man, I'm digging this a whole lot, very well put together! If you get a chance go check out my Bloody Brainfreeze deck, it uses some of the strategies I see here, but without the control components. I'm curious what you'd come up with.
Anyway, have you thought about adding Death's Approach instead of Grisly Spectacle ? Personally I've run into too many decks without a boomstick creature, and I feel like paying 4 to kill one is a bit anticlimactic. Though the downside I suppose would be that it's an enchant, but in my mind it's justified by its cost, not to mention the combo opportunities with Consuming Aberration .
Also, how are you liking Codex Shredder ? I've been interested in trying it out but haven't got around to picking any up just yet.
April 3, 2013 8:21 p.m.
ThEdUnCeCaP says... #21
yo dude since i last saw im not really a fan of the changes youve made. your never gonna be able to fully mill someone using Thought Scour and Psychic Strike these cards only put a couple cards in the grave yard. you need to have some Increasing Confusion Dream Twist Curse of the Bloody Tome ? to get some serious mill. the problem with your small creature count is that having one creature out is guaranteed to hit removal, so that makes that useless :P
April 3, 2013 8:28 p.m.
I wouldnt say that you are going to get hit with removal for only having a single creature out. Thats what the counters are for. I play a deck very similar to this and have little issue with removal as I am normally able to counter it.
As for the mill I would say that Thought Scour mill is almost a bonus, I use it early as card advantage and for Psychic Strike its more of a counter that mills as a bonus. Dream Twist only puts one more card in the graveyard than Thought Scour and does not draw you a card. I could see maybe swapping the Mind Grind for Increasing Confusion but I think the Mind Grind is more efficient. x =3 for the confusion is a cmc of 4, and 3 cards milled, six if from the graveyard. x = 3 for the Grind is a cmc of 5, one more, but can possible mill for 6 that turn if a land is every other card. Late game you can sac the Codex Shredder and get it back to your hand to cast it at x =6 or some other ridiculous number that is likely to almost mill them out.
TriforceJunkie I cant answer for how ducttapedeckbox likes the Codex Shredder in his deck but I added them to my mill deck after seeing them in here and I have to say I love them. Being able to put that top card into the graveyard can really hurt and the second option with the shredder of putting a card back in your hand is great. Getting a Mind Grind back when they only have a few cards left is awesome.
April 3, 2013 8:50 p.m.
@ducttapedeckbox If you were to name all the "types" of mill decks, what would they be? (i.e. Stalker decks, D-seer, etc.)
April 3, 2013 9:13 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #24
@ TriforceJunkie -- I'll check it out if I remember. Death's Approach is conditional as well, since it becomes rather useless against control decks. Think of Grisly Spectacle as Murder , and whatever mill you get out of it costs [1]. Like that, it's actually a very efficient card. And Codex Shredder is amazing. It makes a T3 5/5 Jace's Phantasm possible, and can return a spent Mind Grind , or any other card, to your hand late-game. The utility it provides makes it one of the best cards in the deck.
@ ThEdUnCeCaP -- Thought Scour and Psychic Strike aren't in there for the mill; the mill is an added bonus. I have found Increasing Confusion to be much less effective than Mind Grind , so I do not run it. Dream Twist is good, but I don't think it's as effective as the other mill cards. Curse of the Bloody Tome isn't reliable or efficient at all -- by T3, I will want to play something much more potent than a 2-card per turn mill. I'm also not guaranteed to have my creatures removed at all - and that's also why Codex Shredder and the control is so useful.
@ NeoHazard -- I think I pretty much restated your comments above, and agree with them.
April 3, 2013 9:31 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #25
@ YungBakes -- You can't really designate "types," because you have a plethora of card combinations to choose from.
ducttapedeckbox says... #1
@ royal_assassin79 -- All valid suggestions, but very few of them contribute to the actual milling. I have found that if the card doesn't contribute to either milling or control, it isn't the best option for this deck. Adding Invisible Stalker is a good idea, but again it doesn't contribute at all to milling, and would be require a major overhaul of the deck. I rarely have problems with burn spells, because I run so few creatures, and they're usually too big for a burn spell to kill anyways.
March 30, 2013 1:35 p.m.