could you help me with my decks plz?

I don't see why not, post the link either here or on my wall and I'll check it out.

your debate about Essence Harvest isn't going too well. if you wish to keep the guildmage in, you could drop one as well as a swamp for 2. three 5cmc cards aren't too much

i just realized i hadn't rated this deck yet. about time XD

Hey man. Big fan of Mill. You should check out the mill deck i've made. It's not necessarily a budget deck, but I think you could pull a few tricks from it to keep your costs down. I play on a budget, and do ALOT of trading to get what i need. A staple to any mill deck right now is Jace tho. Turn 5, mill 10. and every turn after that as long as he stays alive. Just a thought.

I don't like Hands of Binding ..I'd put another Duskmantle Guildmage and two Jace, Memory Adept instead (it's quite cheap as a Planeswalker), and you can get a nice combo with the guildmage's first effect and Jace's second one (opponenet discards 10 cards from the deck)..

Its great watching this list evolve, Please check out my mill deck and let me know what you think. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dimir-mill-control-2/I have a bunch of other decks too including a modern mill deck

@ w999 -- I've dropped the Artful Dodge for Essence Harvest , and it seems to be working well. I think I might officially make the change. And thanks for the +1!

@ damphire5150 -- I don't run Jace, Memory Adept not only because he breaks this deck out of a budget, but I also want to do something a little outside of the norm, and prove that a mill deck not running Jace can still be effective. Please drop your deck's name here if you'd like me to check it out.

@ JoeyMako -- Why don't you like Hands of Binding ??? It's one of my favorite cards in the deck! I think 3 is plently for Duskmantle Guildmage because he isn't good without a lot of mana. And, read above for my comments regarding Jace.

@ Rage!!! -- Thanks! I will try to check your deck out later today, but don't hesitate to post again as a reminder in case I forget.

i just realized how much synergy Consuming Aberration has with Essence Harvest . if you cast harvest with aberration out, aberration's ability will trigger first causing them to mill, then harvest will resolve. when it resolves, it check aberration's power which has already been boosted because you cast the harvest! interesting

Doesn't it sound really awesome? It's even better when I actually get it to work, and it ends up doing 20-30 damage :P That's only in the ideal game, but 10 damage and gain 10 for 3 is not something I'm complaining about!

will you be putting your duals on this deck? or not cause you want it to stay budget

nice deck i find it's a lot harder to make a mill deck standard might I suggest Jace, Memory Adept could i get some help with my decks?

He wants to keep it budget and wants to prove that a mill deck can be good w/o jace. Although I also think he should add it in cause his second ability means that the Guildmage will deal 10 damage each turn.

Wow, this is just an awesome crazy deck. I had never seen Essence Harvest before ... but that is super good with Consuming Aberration . Also never thought of the synergy with Aberration and Duskmantle Guildmage ! Wow. This is actually super-similar to what I've been brewing with Mill ALL the Things! but I think your's may be more solid, especially as its just dual-color.

Bring it to FNM. Lets see how it does.

Play tested this deck like crazy, it failed miserably. There's not enough land, 23 doesn't cut it. Not running dual lands makes it infinitely worse. You're dead to control, I never got to 5 mana to cast an aberration rofl. How will you ever beat an aggro deck when you have so few creatures to use, and even fewer to activate hands of binding on? It just didn't work in any way shape or form over like 20 games.

@Mekhami Try mine, deck:feed-me-seymourhelp-needed Dont have the jace's yet so i havent play tested it yet. Give it a go

@ w999 -- I have 4x Drowned Catacomb and a Watery Grave that I will use if I take this to a tournament . For now though, I want to avoid adding them in to truly keep it a budget deck.

@ caseykinghenderson -- I have a lot of cards that I'm trading, so I might try to acquire two Jace, Memory Adept s for tournament use (again, if I attend a tournament). I'd be happy to check out your decks if you post links on my wall!

@ DrFmeat -- Essence Harvest is actually one card I'm likely to cut, due to its lack of consistency. Duskmantle Guildmage is also only OK, so I'm not sure if it'll remain a part of the deck.

@ My_ppl_eat_dogs -- If have the time, I will once I made some edits (also probably removing the classification of "budget" from this deck, given that I make the edits). It would be nice if you could post suggestions as well.

@ Mekhami -- You're going to have to be more specific with the things it needs work against. Of course it's tough to have a mill deck (relatively slow strategy) to compete with an aggro deck. It would be helpful if you could give suggestions instead of just telling me it doesn't work.

I can't get more specific because the deck was barely able to cast any spells in 20+ games.

@Mekhami. If your just gonna bash the deck, why comment at all? Keep your unhelpful and mean thoughts to yourself please. Besides, the playtests I have done have gone very well for this deck.

Maybe elaborate on the decks you played then? I've never encountered anything as bad as you've mentioned happen to me in the many games that I've played versus competitive aggro and control decks (excluding the occasional mana-screw/flood).

@Mekhami - I am quite surprised that it failed miserably because I have been playing a lot of this deck as well and have been really impressed with the outcome. Perhaps, I am not playing against decks that are as aggressive as ones that you've encountered. Not drawing enough lands hasn't been an issue for me either. Although I do draw fewer swamps than islands I find that not as much swamps are needed especially once the deck's strategy starts gaining momentum.

Following KrazyCaley's advice in his article (see the desc. for a link), I am considering the following changes:

Dropping (9):

• 3x Duskmantle Guildmage
• 1x Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
• 3x Paranoid Delusions
• 2x Essence Harvest

Adding (9):

• 3x Grisly Spectacle
• 3x Codex Shredder
• 1x Psychic Strike
• 1x Dimir Charm
• 1x Cyclonic Rift

Something else I'd wish to discuss is the usefulness of Hands of Binding . KrazyCaley recommends against it in his article, but I'm hesitant about removing it, so I'd like your opinion!

The problem with Hands of Binding is that you have to hit them with a creature for it to work. In a competitive scene, once a cipher card hits a creature, that creature is a prime target for all removal, and so you have to ensure that it stays alive for the cipher cards to work. This is pretty good with Invisible Stalker , but it's subject to such removal as Electrickery . In short, the fact that you have to hit an opponent with the creature is the major drawback.

I know you've considered this already but Mindshrieker is still good IMO and you can add in card:Illusionist's Bracers for it as well as Duskmantle Guildmage 's first ability. Mindshrieker is really good against ramp and reanimator decks because they have expensive creatures. Just a thought. I say keep in Essence Harvest a 10 life difference from card:Jace's Phantasm is nothing to scoff at. I'm neutral about binding.