I'm fairly new to legacy, and haven't ever played burn before, but I would consider Magma Jet in lieu of Reforge the Soul . The extra burn and speed on the spell would help with your deck's overall speed. Unless you cast it for its miracle cost, I just can't really see Reforge the Soul working fast enough to net you the win.
October 26, 2012 2:45 a.m.
as much as i love the layout, it seems fairly slow, in legacy turn 5 is nothing, even in standard (a slower format) my friend can win turn 4. with reanimator and such, turn one victory's is possible. but i still think you should get a plus one because of the awesome layout.
October 27, 2012 12:06 p.m.
Hello Everyone!
Thank you so very much for your wonderful suggestions! For this week's update, I carefully went through all of the comments posted under this topic as of October 31, 2012.
I have to say that I am very pleased with the advice given to me so far in the development of this deck. Without further ado, I would like to explain the changes incorporated into the creation of the third revision.
Change Log:
- Removed 2x Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
- Upped number of Vexing Devil s from two to three
- Upped number of Mountain s from twenty-one to twenty-two
- Removed fetch lands from Maybeboard, after examining Rhadamanthus' suggested articles
Sam_I_Am, thank you so much for placing your thoughts again into this deck. I will be running your suggestions, especially Rift Bolt , Searing Blaze , and Price of Progress , in my head over the next couple of updates. Your recommendation of placing Reforge the Soul in the sideboard struck me as particularly useful, but unfortunately I have yet to figure out how to make the necessary space available on my sideboard. I'd love to know how I could optimize its effectiveness so as to make room for more Vexing Devil s and Goblin Guide s.
Maxrz and Sam_I_Am, thank you so much for your suggestions on removing Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle . I have chosen to replace them with, according to Maxrz's suggestion, more copies of Vexing Devil . Corsmoo, Braynedehd, PaperNinja, ResurrectedSage, Jamesxeri, Human_Rogue_21, Brennan_McCabe, Rayrand, and Veleren, thank you so much for your recommendations of Chandra Ablaze , Price of Progress , Grim Lavamancer , Magma Jet , Guttersnipe , and Incinerate respectively. I will keep these recommendations all under close consideration for the next update.
Again, thank you all so very much for your thoughtful comments! I thank you for all of your valuable suggestions. As I am still relatively new to Magic the Gathering, I would indeed greatly appreciate any suggestions and/or constructive criticism that you may have to offer.
November 1, 2012 12:53 a.m.
atrasicarius says... #7
Personally, Repercussion is one of my all time favorite cards, but it might be a bit too comboish for this deck.
November 1, 2012 1:37 a.m.
hey guys i made a goblin burn deck that i would really like some feedback/suggestions on: insane goblins
November 1, 2012 10:48 p.m.
I think there's too many gimmicks like Quest for Pure Flame and Elemental Appeal . Preferably, Legacy Red burn goes for the throat.
November 3, 2012 1:45 a.m.
Mizzium Mortars and Shrine of Burning Rage would be amazing in this deck.
November 7, 2012 8:15 p.m.
cartwheelnurd says... #11
no, tey would not. Mizzium Mortars is only dealing damage to creatures. Shrine of Burning Rage is too slow. You want to kill by turn 4. If you get into the long game, your shrine will get destroyed or Stifle d and you will lose anyway.
November 7, 2012 8:18 p.m.
Hey Solo, i really appreciate looking at this deck, not only does it look awesome, but the time and effort you've put into replying to comments and considering suggestions, wow man, just amazing. I really look forward to see any further progress with the deck.
+1 from me, keep up the good work! :)
November 8, 2012 4:53 p.m.
Hello Everyone!
I sincerely apologize for not updating this week.
I've been swamped with midterms and schoolwork, so I will most likely update this next Friday!
As we are approaching the final revision of this deck, I want to thank you guys so much for your suggestions and patience in helping it improve and develop!
Again, I'm so sorry for not being able to bring you all an update this week, but please look forward to the next revision looking to come out next Friday!
I thank you for all of your valuable suggestions. As I am still relatively new to Magic the Gathering, I would indeed greatly appreciate any suggestions and/or constructive criticism that you may have to offer.
November 16, 2012 9:36 p.m.
miracleHat says... #19
quick question, how many times do you find yourself having 4 mana for the Elemental Appeal . do you think that Shock might work?
November 24, 2012 11:52 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #20
I would say that Ball Lightning could possibly be better than Elemental Appeal . It has a cheaper CMC (granted it deals 1 less damage), however in RDW and burn it's all about speed and gaining the most damage for the least amount of mana spent.
I would seriously consider Price of Progress as a mainboard card in lieu of Slagstorm . Many, MANY players play with non-basic lands, thus making Price of Progress on turn 4 into 8 damage for 2 mana... Slagstorm is more likely to be a dead card than Price of Progress , given the Legacy decklists.
November 25, 2012 12:20 a.m.
Hello Everyone!
Thank you so very much for your wonderful suggestions! For this week's update, I carefully went through all of the comments posted under this topic as of November 24, 2012.
I have to say that I am very pleased with the advice given to me throughout the development of this deck. Without further ado, I would like to explain the changes incorporated into the creation of the deck's final revision.
Change Log:
- Removed 4x Pyromancer Ascension from the maybeboard.Thank you so very much for the helpful suggestions that were submitted over the last couple of weeks in the comment section. As we reach the deck's final revision, I want to take a moment to thank everyone for your each and individual contributions to this deck's amazing turnout. To be honest, I did not expect nearly this much success in feedback and audience participation when I first premiered this deck idea a month ago.Again, thanks for all of the thoughtful comments! As I am still relatively new to Magic the Gathering, I would very much appreciate any further suggestions and/or constructive criticism that you may have to offer.
November 28, 2012 1:25 p.m.
I really think you should swap Elemental Appeal for Ball Lightning. It's faster.
December 7, 2012 1:30 a.m.
MagnaLynx21 says... #23
Volcanic Fallout is leagues better than Slagstorm .
Rain of Gore is much better than Everlasting Torment and is worth splashing black for. Then of course you can go the route of Bump in the Night as Lava Spike s five through eight.
You could still go bigger and use the life gain hate provided by Sulfuric Vortex , which is probably the most relevant.
December 13, 2012 9:55 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #24
I think the most important part of Everlasting Torment (and the reason it's in this deck) is the "damage can't be prevented" ability, as it fights Protection.
December 13, 2012 11:03 a.m.
Ball Lightning is a creature where as Elemental Appeal is a spell, after reading the description I go for spell at the expense of mana.
Rhadamanthus says... #1
The problem with Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle in this kind of deck is that the game should already have been over by the time you play Mountain #6, your 7th land. Unless you plan on playing long games or games with more than one opponent, Valakut is just going to be a land that enters the battlefield tapped with no benefit.
Regarding the fetchlands, the classic examination of fetchlands in mono-color decks is the following series of articles: Part 1, Part 2. Basically, they're only worth playing in mono-color if you find those tiny percentages/expectations appealing (I don't), or you're playing them alongside Brainstorm -like effects (which you don't have here). The fact that your deck plays Reforge the Soul does change things, but I don't know if it's enough to matter.
I really love your decks, but I usually don't feel intelligent enough to comment on them. Stay awesome.
October 25, 2012 5:15 p.m.