A card you might consider for manipulating your topdeck is Soothsaying . I've always found it to be a helpful card, in a similar vein with Sylvan Library , Mirri's Guile , and Sensei's Divining Top . Its a great mana sink that allows you to set up your turns.

Thanks for all the suggestions coming in. I will be looking at all of them in the next few days.

But first I would like to address something that surely should not cause any fuzz at all. My reply to your suggestion Gattison was solely meant as a honost reply as of why you suggested haste. I did not see the benefit of it and I was really interested in your explanation to learn if I misjudged something along the way ;) It was in no way meant as being arrogant, as that would not fit me at all. Sorry if this was causing this, but interpretation of comments can turn out different ways for diferent people.

Let's look forward and continue where we left; getting this list in top notch condition for some fun EDH nights :)

Thanks for your help!

PartyJ: I also apologize for misinterpreting and responding a bit rudely myself. No hard feelings, I hope. =)

As for the deck, I sadly have nothing more to offer than to say it looks awesome now!

I really like bushido_man96's suggestions

A very thoughful suggestion Jaceblue12. We are getting to a point now where cutting cards becomes harder and harder. I will put it on the maybeboard for a next round of decisions. Thanks.

Very interesting suggestions you made Zauztopher. Cutting Villainous Wealth for Blue Sun's Zenith makes some sense. The fact that you can draw and cast spells that could potentially give you a board state again after a wipe feels alot more appealing than just the draw. Running both feels too much, but cutting Wealth feels not right. I am curious how you evaluate such a situation. Tough choices!

Diabolic Tutor is surely not a card to stay, but I didn't had a better tutor in my possession. The card you mentioned crossed my mind earlier, but I didn't take a close enough look. That is a fact. Thanks for guiding me to Secret Salvage .

The reason I chose to run more rocks than ramping land cards is due to the presence of Paradox Engine . The rocks are indeed abit more vulnerable to removal, but with the engine out, rocks generate lots more mana, increasing the manacount of the deck rapidly.

I see you point in comparing Phyrexian Reclamation vs. Eternal Witness . This is a subtle balance of persoanl taste and benefits both cards bring on their own. Phyrexian Reclamation only targets creatures, while Eternal Witness can target any card in your graveyard. When casing Patriarch's Bidding I can bring back all Persistent Petitioners and Eternal Witness , since they are all human. Perhaps the conclusion would be that they both deserve a slot?

Thanks for some really great thoughts!

It's always a pleasure to see you pass by Daedalus19876. Card choices are becoming harder and harder and I already felt that the mana curve should ideally drop some more. Assembly Hall and Doubling Chant both share the burden of being too costly to cast. Where Pack Hunt does not have the impact other tutors can have and Nantuko Shrine and Arcane Adaptation do not help me get to victory faster. We have reached a point where it gets really hard to cut something for a card that actually means a mayor improvement to the deck strength. If I misjudged it, please point me on my flaws :p

Leyline of the Void however is one that could keep me away from a world of hurt. If only I knew which tree to cut... Maybeboard material for now, as there is always room for improvement! Thanks!

I really like bushido_man96's suggestions too griffstick. Top deck manipulation feels like a direct hit for the deck, but only when you could reap its benefits as well. Soothsaying , Sylvan Library and Sensei's Divining Top all give more intel and can be followed up by acting on it, either with mana, paying life or tapping. This is a tough one, as I feel only one should claim a spot. I tend to lean towards Sensei's Divining Top , as it helps to sculp your gameplan and being able to recast it to trigger Paradox Engine again .... you?

ps: Daedalus19876 your suggestion of Doubling Chant was a legitimate one. I mixed up your suggestion with another tutor I skipped for the reason mentioned. Your suggestion has a valid spot in the deck, as foil :))

PartyJ I like Soothsaying for what it does with Thrumming Stone . You can set up your ripple 4 or see if your ripple 4 will be a success or not. This is important because of the low number of Persistent Petitioners in your deck. A Thrumming Stone becomes more successful with at least 30 or more petitioners, you have much less then that

Well with 25, you're averaging about 1 petitioner every 4 cards. Thats pretty good with the stone. If you were to add more card draw, it'd help even more with the consistency.

Draw a couple Petitioners. If you play them and get 8 cards deep, you are almost guaranteed to hit another which will then get you even deeper. Averaging 1 petitioner every 4 cards and then going 12 cards deep will definitely get you where you wanna be. After that, your chances of drawing or rippling into one is even higher since the filtered through cards go on the bottom of your library.

I've been mulling this over a bit, and seeing as you are running , there are some shenanigans available to you that you could consider, depending on your budget. If it were me, I'd probably do something silly like run Beast Whisperer along with Aluren . If you've managed to set up the top of your library with the likes of Soothsaying , Sylvan Library , or otherwise, it wouldn't be hard to drop several Petitioners on the same turn. Another green card that might be worth considering is Dual Nature . Doubles up your Petitioners, and who knows what else. Its worth a thought, at least. Also, if you changed your commander to Muldrotha, the Gravetide , you can cast a Petitioner from your graveyard if necessary, but I think the commander you got might be just fine, too.

Anywho, I hope I've inspired some more thoughts on this one. The way its going here, I might have to come up with a list of my own.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments griffstick, alechodgin23 and bushido_man96. Some of the cards have been cut from a previous version, but I feel that togther with the current setup, they should deserve some playtesting. I have my doubts about the low number of tutors, which can help me find the vital pieces to really kickstart the deck. The tutors are available, but the cuts are now the harder part.

You deck has made quite a few changes since the last time I saw it. I must say I like how the deck is coming together.

I would like to know what your thoughts are on replacing one of the signets with a Basalt Monolith . My reasoning is that it by itself allows infinite (albeit colorless) mana with your Dramatic Reversal / Isochron Scepter combo as well as going infinite with the Rings of Brighthearth you already have included.

I would also love to hear your reasoning for including Trusted Advisor . With Damia as your commander, I wonder how often its first ability would be relevant. The second ability seems to me more pertinent, as by recasting one of your cheap advisors you could gain card advantage through cards like Beast Whisperer and Kindred Discovery . Do you think that effect is worth a slot in the deck? If you do, I wonder if Temur Sabertooth could perform that function better. I often include this card in creature-heavy decks as it allows me to return my board in whole or in part to my hand in response to a board wipe being cast. The obvious downsides are that it is not an advisor itself and its ability costs mana to activate as opposed to being a free trigger. Paradoxical Outcome could serve a similar purpose as well as providing additional draw

Any thoughts on Bitter Ordeal , Bribery , Extract or similar as an alternative approach to getting rid of cards that shuffle themselves back in?

That would be a meta call. If its a problem you face, then it might be worth it. Bitter Ordeal looks especially good, because it could allow you to target a few opponents if its a problem on multiple fronts. Or, you could just run Laboratory Maniac as an alternate win condition for you if you aren't able to mill an opponent because of those kinds of cards.

Love the deck, I love many of the card choices, easy +1!

Honestly I tried, but can't argue with any of your card choices, and I'm out of ideas that haven't already been mentioned. Bravo!

Gonna give Bloodchief Ascension a try. Interesting addition suggested by DrukenReaps.

Overall made some improvements based on a recent commander night. Still looking for an optimal balance.

Let me know if you got some valuable advise based on the latets setup.

I think you'll be happy with the results from that one. It really made my mimeoplasm mill, when I played that, a huge threat even against people that wanted their graves filled or had eldrazi titans to reshuffle their graves.

Angel of Glory's Rise is expensive but reanimates all the Petitioners.

Lol yeah just realized you're not a white deck

Bloodchief Ascension works like a charm DrukenReaps. Impressive powerhouse in this deck! Great suggestion....

I made some tweaks to the deck, cutting some high cmc cards, making it faster. I am curious how Whispering Madness will function in this build; card draw and a 'mill' effect in one card.

Let me know if you spot possible deck upgrades. Feedback is always appreciated!

I would advise (I hate myself) to put in Duskmantle Guildmage , as it goes infinite with Mindcrank , Call to the Kindred to get more advisors out, Fraying Sanity because of course, perhaps if you put in Isochron Scepter and Dramatic Reversal , you could go infinite if you have mana rocks out. Also, Vanquisher's Banner can really help with card draw and even makes your stuff bigger just in case you need it. All in all, LOVE the deck, I was thinking about building mill in EDH soon, and I think I will base it off of this deck, so thanks. Oh and also, since more than half of your deck is blue, if also advise putting in a Drowned Secrets .

Jace's Archivist would give you some more mill and with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries its another win con.

Thank you for the suggestions DerpDeer. Our playgroup, where I play this deck, has a houserule that discourages infinite decks. I try to avoid doing this. For the rest I try to add cards that mostly hit all opponenets one way or the other. Nevertheless I liked reading the suggestions for future reference!

I really liked your suggestion Poseidon31! Thanks for sharing :)

Bitter Ordeal has been added to the deck.