What're my thoughts on Bitterblossom ? Pure Unadulterated Evil. A friend in my playgroup found many a use for that card - and abused it to no end. All I can say is Contamination + Bitterblossom - that combo haunts me til this day. Would the previously mentioned combo work with your deck? Hard to say. But it is a hard lock against opponents who aren't playing black, and a soft-lock against those who include black as part of their decks. It's slower than what you're going for, and definitely nowhere near as aggro.

LVL_666 love the answer. I asked my wife to get me a foil bitterblossom for Christmas. I conveniently have a contamination in my binder if I decided to add it :).

Yea I thought it might be slow just like Phyrexian arena. Figured it was worth thinking about.

Thanks for the response.

TypicalTimmy hot garbage in the wrong deck set-up. This Demon is a badass, I mean just him with Toxic Deluge wipes the board then draw a shitload of cards. What was his thought after he played with him?

I really wish Sorin Markov was a cheaper cmc. That life total change just is too good.

Phyrexian Obliterator I really like this card and have wondered if it would work in this deck. It is good in K'rrik decks but this one is iffy. I mean the trample is great, so i could pump with shade and trample right thru.

Dauthi Embrace would be amazing in this

Allow me to introduce a Doomsday combo that I don't think people have mentioned.

Doomsday fetching Infernal Contract, Sacrifice, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, Walking Ballista and Carrion Feeder. Use Infernal contract to draw the other four. Sacrifice K'rrik for 7 and cast the other three cards for an infinite Mikaeus loop.

This is a pretty small package that still allows you to win out of nowhere when your main plan is disrupted.

toastySmorc that has nothing to do with this decks strategy, and it actually hinders is. I'm not quite sure you understand what this deck does. I do appreciate the comment, and suggestion, its a nice combo.

It's a combo list right? Nothing wrong with a backup combo. Your primer certainly doesn't suggest otherwise.

If you mean hinders because it adds cards which aren't Apostles, keep in mind that you already have a lot of non-apostle cards that can stop a Thrumming Stone chain. Also, I don't think pump spells are necessary. Phyresis, maybe. But others imo are straight up redundant when K'rrik itself has a inherent pump engine.

Also, I honestly would reconsider the Sanguine Bond combo. I still feel it's too mana heavy, and althought I understand that it has value as a 2 card combo, Doomsday does allow for a one card win con that is also free.

toastySmorc I'm not doing Doomsday combo.

My primer may not have suggested otherwise, but it also didn't have a doomsday combo. It's K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth if i was going to play doomsday it would already be in there.

The things you said about spells being redundant, and cards not being necessary, show that you don't understand the deck. Which if i actually finished the primer and cleaned it up might be easier.

I have read it and from my personal perspective they feel like they don't do enough to abuse the explosive potential of K'rrik. K'rrik itself enables the beatdown strategy enough to justify using the slots for the pump spells for more protection or more draw to increase consistency of the infect plan.

I respect your personal preferences though. I brew more competitive EDH decks so I judge cards from a different perspective.

Mortlocke I added Bolas's Citadel. I havent gotten to playtest it yet with the deck, but I did find out in standard how broken it is. I made a ajani, bolas citadel deck in standard.

Citadel can outright win you the game if you have a means of mitigating the loss of life (like your commander) readily available to you. Aetherflux Reservoir (which is already in the deck) comes to mind as a possible combo piece. I think that Citadel is definitely worth trying out in the deck as at the very least you could end up with some really good value.

Mortlocke Yea i didn't see that when you first suggested the card. Mind changed.

so a combo i found out playing mtgo Bolas's Citadel also works well with Razaketh, the Foulblooded on the field. I should have thought about it but it came up in play and Lightbulb went off. Play Shadowborns, and if i hit a land sac to shuffle.

Then after they are on the field sac them to get Crypt Incursion, and Songs of the Damned life gained back.

Maybe even add Ad Nauseam back to the deck?

Adding in Ad Nauseam would be a good experiment. It's effect is similar to Bolas's Citadel, but the only issue is that it's far less forgiving when it comes to execution. If you don't go off on the turn you cast that card, then you may possibly be in a weaker position even after casting a bunch of cards and having a stronger board presence. Additionally, Ad Nauseam is an Instant - and from what I can see the deck doesn't exactly take advantage of that speed so it may not be used to it's highest potential as some of the the usual suspects combined with this card are Angel's Grace (as you just draw out your entire library without fear of going below 0 life) - basically what i'm trying to get at is that you need to build a bit more around Ad Nauseam to make the best use of it.

Why not something like Desecration Demon

Mortlocke The primer isn't updated but I'd bring up the past and say the deck is now pretty close to consistent as my knowledge can make it. Scroll Rack is a test and the only slot that is being tested for the right card. Well and Winding Canyons I still don't know what i think about it, but thought if someone tries to remove thrumming stone i could cast a shadowborn to trigger in response

What do you think so far? Also what would i have to do to get this page fixed up like some other primers?

Maybe Emergence Zone in place of one Swamp to get another effect of Winding Canyons?

MrKillStar Thank you.. I just replaced it

Hey GreenHamma, it's been sometime since i've visited your page and I do like the new (to me) direction of your deck - very exciting. From my understanding of your primer your deck functions by flooding the field with Shadowborn Apostles using Thrumming Stone, tutoring for demons, and just overwhelming opponents with value. Have you considered using Tendrils of Agony? Before you think it - all cards "played" with Thrumming Stone are actually cast - consider the rules text:

"702.59. Ripple - 702.59a Ripple is a triggered ability that functions only while the card with ripple is on the stack. “Ripple N” means “When you cast this spell, you may reveal the top N cards of your library, or, if there are fewer than N cards in your library, you may reveal all the cards in your library. If you reveal cards from your library this way, you may cast any of those cards with the same name as this spell without paying their mana costs, then put all revealed cards not cast this way on the bottom of your library in any order.”"

Given that there is a "98% chance you will play out all (33) shadowborn apostles in the deck" (your words, not mine) casting Tendrils of Agony seems like it would be a valid kill spell for at least one opponent.

"What do you think so far? Also what would i have to do to get this page fixed up like some other primers?" Here are some resources I used in the past to get my deck description looking right:

• Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a Primer? - this is what i'd consider the "go to" guide on how to write a fully fleshed out primer.

• FancyTuesday's CSS Styling on Tapped out - Beginner User Page - this is only an optional thing, and if you just want to go into the weeds with deck page customization. The fact that trusted users are allowed to to use CSS is a big deal.

Mortlocke thanks for the response.

Your understanding of how the deck runs is spot on. Consistency has been the main focus here lately, and it's pretty consistent winning turn 4 doing what you stated. Obviously without much interaction things go well lol. With the updated list there still needs to be 100 game record made, or something around that to see what exactly it does.

I was aware of Tendrils it had been in the deck before. I forget why It got removed. Probably for more speed, who knows lol, but there is 1 spot open and I'll keep it in mind if Scroll Rack doesn't pan out. Like always I appreciate pointing things out whether I would have known about them or not.

Thank you for the links, I will look into them. As always thank you for the help.