Primal Devotion CAST YOUR DECK ON T3
Modern
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canterlotguardian says... #2
I don't like the concept of running more than 1 Primal Surge in a deck like this. What happens if you hit a Primal Surge upon resolution? Your whole deck loses its flavor (because you don't get the second Surge back from exile, it just stays there and your deck becomes a regular ramp.dec).
February 5, 2016 10:17 a.m.
limpNuZZle says... #3
Ok guys, in reference to the number of Primal Surge copies, I hear you loud and clear! In testing, I have tried one, two, and even three. Here's what I found... Three was obviously way too much just inconsistent upon casting, and made for awkward opening hands. Then one proved to be too inconsistent to ever have in had or subsequently draw into. Two copies has always served me right and here's why. By the time you resolve the first, you WILL do one of two things; totally whiff and hit like two permanents, or you will throw out 10+. Between just putting an eldrazi and Akroma's Memorial into play and all the draw triggers from your enchantments, you will be just fine. If you have the board state to cast Primal Surge you also have the board state to cast your fatties. I have never put out more than 15-20 cards into play with surge because by that time, you have 2 or more Eidolon of Blossoms out and the draw triggers stack pretty fast. What you do then is end the surge and then utilize the massive devotion and multiples of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and Garruk Wildspeaker to amass 60+ mana and hard cast whatever else you assuredly draw from the enchant draw triggers. I know it all sounds "theoretical" or "hypothetical," but here me out and just throw this together for a game or two. The number of Primal Surge will definitely vary from player to player. But I feel that I have put enough win conditions in the deck between fatties and Primal Surge to constantly do something drastic on t3-5 every game.
As for the Scavenging Ooze comment, THANK YOU! I believe I like that better too. The Relic of Progenitus literally does graveyard hate only. I like the fact that Scavenging Ooze provides a body, graveyard hate, and devotion all at once. Very good idea, and I'm changing now.
+1 and ideas always welcome! Thank you guys. The deck and sideboard have come along nicely with your help. If any of you play the deck, please let me know what you think!
February 5, 2016 11:11 a.m.
@limpNuZZle No problem! it is also good against burn match ups too, since you can eat your opponents dead Goblin Guides and Monastery Swiftspears to gain a life.
As for the number of Primal Surges you run, I agree 100%, worst case scenario is you get 1 permanent (Courser of Kruphix will tell you the top card), which is still not doing nothing, and like you said, at that point in the game, you are casting tons of good stuff anyways. On average you should get about 20-25 permanents out from it, which (spoiler alert) will win the game lol.
I cant wait to try this out, it'll take a bit for me to find all the cards, but I play in Modern Mondays at my LGS, when I finish it, I will let you know how it goes!
February 5, 2016 2:06 p.m.
limpNuZZle says... #5
Perfect! Thanks man. I am a firefighter and don't have many opportunities to play irl so I sold all my paper magic and only play eternal formats online such as pauper, EDH, and modern. I'd love to get a semicompetitive modern deck together and play some FNMs but I just don't wanna spend the $$$$$$
February 5, 2016 2:55 p.m.
First of all, thank you for the service you provide your community.
But I completely understand. I got married this December and was prepared to sell my magic stuff and just do a bit of online drafts when I had some money. Instead, my wife tells me to get ready for the next GP because she wants me to make the pro tour (I am a lucky man and I love her so much). However, its hard to do since we have to budget and what not. But I can make trades happen and hopefully get this built and let you know how it fares! $400 is not a lot for a modern deck, but it is a lot of money in general. I know them feels lol.
February 5, 2016 3:03 p.m.
limpNuZZle says... #7
Yeah man, playing on a budget is though. That's why pauper is so fun! You can build like 5 decks for 20 tix online. I used to buy two cases per set when I was big into standard. I had play sets of every card.. Definitely not on a budget there. But since then I've rearranged my priorities, and I've moved so I don't have a play group anymore. But I just looked into the video embedding thing a little more and found out how to do it. Let my try it so you can see the t3 win from the deck description.
February 5, 2016 3:11 p.m.
No joke. And sounds good! good luck!
One concern I do have about the deck: with Eidolon of Blossoms, the draw triggers would all go off after the complete resolution of Primal Surge. It is theoretically possible that you would end up drawing up to 74 cards off of the triggers since they are not may abilities. Have you ever decked yourself to Eidolon triggers after casting Primal Surge? More of a curiosity then a concern really.
February 5, 2016 3:48 p.m. Edited.
limpNuZZle says... #9
Valid question. You just use discretion as you put the permanents into play off of Primal Surge. Online it is easier because you have a visual indication as to how many cards are in your library at all times. Irl it is still easy, just count cards in your hand, on the battlefield, and in the yard... then you have your library. For example: you have an Eidolon of Blossoms in play as you cast primal surge. As you put permanents into play, you get a draw trigger for each enchantment and the trigger goes on the stack. If you hit another eidolon or even multiples from the surge (you will), you simply put two triggers on the stack for each subsequent enchantment. TIP: always remember that the Eidolon of Blossoms is an enchantment too.. I know it sounds remedial but irl i could see this being overlooked. Once your draw triggers are getting close to the number of cards in your deck, just stop putting permanents into play. At that point you will resolve the surge, draw nearly the whole deck, and simply hard cast any other fatty or Akroma's Memorial you don't already have on the battlefield. At this point in the game, anything you are doing is "win more" and I am usually speed playing in fear of my opponent's impending conceit. No shit, concession is the most common method by which the deck wins. Sometimes they quit as you cast a fatty or a surge. Other times they watch for a bit, but rarely do they let you go all the way off and swing for a jabillion... sad face haha
February 5, 2016 4:29 p.m.
theClokkwork says... #10
I just want to point out one problem with the title that could be misleading to some extent, the "cast your whole deck" isn't quite right, as its just putting the permanents onto the battlefield. So technically you can't get the extra turn from Emmy and such. Sorry to be "that guy", just wanted to clarify in case the rulings were questioned. Unless I'm wrong and you do get the cast triggers, and if that's the case I'd love to be told! Love this deck and have been goldfishing it since I found it, btw!
February 5, 2016 5:25 p.m.
wow.... I am stupid. I forgot you could just choose to stop putting permanents into play. /FacepalmThank you for reminding me of that interaction! As long as the pilot is smart, they wont deck themselves lol. (another easy to forget one is Courser of Kruphix is an enchantment as well).
and @Clokkwork you don't get the triggers unless you cast them, and etb effects are different then on-cast. So while you are correct, the deck still can combo off and put (almost) its whole arsenal attacking at once on turn 3. But you did win on technicalities =p.
February 5, 2016 5:45 p.m.
limpNuZZle says... #12
well however misleading the title may be, who comes back form a t3 hasty Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, and numerous other dudes whom all have flying and vigilance? lol they have 20 cards exiled, and have negative permanents at this point. while they do get to play a land on their next (last) turn, they cant target the spaghetti monster! Then next combat would be the aforementioned team WITH +3/+3 AND TRAMPLE FROM Garruk Wildspeaker :] so while I didn't "cast" my deck, it sure is just as fun! :P
February 5, 2016 6:12 p.m.
theClokkwork says... #13
Oh I agree, I love the deck and how it works and truly don't think that after the combo goes off the opponent can come back, I just didn't want people to get flipping the deck and casting it confused, sorry. :P
February 5, 2016 6:57 p.m.
limpNuZZle says... #14
haha nah I got you man, just givin you a hard time. Thanks for checkin it out!
February 5, 2016 7:08 p.m.
theClokkwork says... #15
I honestly would love to run this deck in paper magic just to see the look on peoples faces! My favorite card's always been Emmy and finding creative ways to get her on the battlefield is always fantastic! I think the only major change I would make is taking the Verdant Catacombs out and three Forests and replacing them with four Windswept Heath for budget reasons, as they cost almost nothing, and having more fetches is nice with Courser of Kruphix to pseudo-manipulate the revealed topdeck with shuffling.
February 5, 2016 7:34 p.m.
limpNuZZle says... #16
i have the heaths, but man the life loss is kind rough in some of the matchesmaybe worth the extra deck thinning tho. i will test that
February 5, 2016 8 p.m.
theClokkwork says... #17
It's just lucky the mana base is shock land free or else you'd be killing yourself way too fast. I think the deck thinning is a helpful side effect of having the ability to shuffle the second Primal Surge off the top of your deck when it's revealed by Courser, for instance, when you want to go off that turn instead of waiting to draw it.
February 5, 2016 8:37 p.m.
That_Guy_You_Know says... #18
I would cut Eidolon of Blossoms because you run the risk of decking yourself due to its draw trigger not being a "May" ability.
February 9, 2016 10:12 a.m.
ElTeddomaximus says... #19
I feel like you should try craterhoof in this deck.
February 9, 2016 10:14 a.m.
ElTeddomaximus says... #21
Also leyline of sanctity seems great because it can not only hose burn but also disrupt specific combo decks and blank opposing thoughtseize's. Just a thought.
February 9, 2016 10:18 a.m.
ElTeddomaximus says... #22
Lab maniac actually seems like a real combo in this deck lol. That's awesome.
February 9, 2016 10:19 a.m.
The_Dragonmaster says... #23
Mass Hysteria would be another great one to swing lethal.
February 9, 2016 10:23 a.m.
You guys do know this deck is mono green and also has Akroma's Memorial right? Also, @That_Guy_You_Know, I asked that same question about decking yourself. Primal Surge allows you to stop at any point, so you can just keep track of the triggers and number of cards in your deck.
February 9, 2016 10:35 a.m. Edited.
CrovaxTheCursed says... #25
Amazing deck! I will have to playtest this (a lot) when I get home. I've always been a big fan of green ramp/devotion, so this is right up my alley. Really I just need the Garruks and Eldrazi and I will have this built with cardboard. The most expensive parts ofc, but they are Modern staples anyway, so no big deal. +1000000000
Reaxetion says... #1
+1. I LOVE this deck. +X where X is the greatest amount of times I am allowed to like this deck!!!!
Like.... HOLY CRAP. It is super cheap to build too for a competitive modern deck, and I do believe this has the steam to really get going! The ONLY small change I am going to make as I build this deck - because you know I have to now - is that I would run Scavenging Ooze instead of Relic of Progenitus in the sideboard. It gives you the same grave yard hate, but also gives you life gain and another body.
Excellent work, LOVE the deck!
February 5, 2016 10:13 a.m.